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A Resolution to Condemn Slavery and Practitioners Thereof
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| Roman_Lekpin | Date: Sunday, 10 November 13, 12:27 PM | Message # 1 |
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| Gentlebeings of the Senate, I call for the following resolution:
A Resolution Condemning Slavery 1) Lorrd proposes that the Senate agree that slavery is detestable, reprehensible and in no way beneficial to the working of a civilized galaxy.
2) Lorrd proposes that those who engage in slavery, by direct means or otherwise (i.e. utilizing slave labor or actively enslaving people) are considered anathema in the sight of all civilized worlds of the Galactic Republic.
3) Furthermore, any and all practitioners of slavery or advocated of its use will be considered persona non grata while dealing with any Republic-affiliated worlds.
Roman Lekpin
Former Senator, Lorrd (100 BBY-92 BBY)
Chosen of House Garth
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| Zaizhi_Kongming | Date: Monday, 11 November 13, 0:15 AM | Message # 2 |
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| Duro agrees with the motion of Lorrd; however we wish to see this measure go a step further, for the sake of their being clear and present consequences for those that practice this horrid act. If the gentleman from Lorrd will allow it, I propose the following be added to this legislation:
4) Any individual found practicing, supporting, or advocating in slavery or the slave trade shall be automatically charged for Crimes Against Civilization, in addition to all relevant criminal charges. In the case of a slaving-related charge of a crime against civilization, the case may be heard by the Courts rather than the Senate, at the Court's prerogative.
Zaizhi Kongming
Senator of Duro and the Duro Sector
Chair of the Judiciary Committee
Admiral of the Fleet, Duro Navy
Admiral of the Coreworlds
Former Commandant of the Judicial Forces
Message edited by Zaizhi_Kongming - Monday, 11 November 13, 0:18 AM |
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| Lomen_Ryuun | Date: Monday, 11 November 13, 12:05 PM | Message # 3 |
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| A good call, Senator Lekpin.
You have Druckenwell's vote in favor. Slavery has ever been an abominable institution in the galaxy.
Lomen Ryuun
Senator, Druckenwell (103 BBY - 93 BBY)
Minister of Economics
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| Draken_Turot | Date: Monday, 11 November 13, 6:25 PM | Message # 4 |
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| This vote defiantly deserves praise and credit! No one should deserve to be under the chains of oppression!!! In favor!!!
Senator of Lantillies
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| Senator_Cynum | Date: Tuesday, 12 November 13, 5:40 AM | Message # 5 |
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| The Trade Federation votes in favour of the original proposal.
Senator Prentiss Cynum
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Senator for the Trade Federation
Chair of the Trade Commission
Chair of the Security Committee
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| Chancellor_Kruus | Date: Tuesday, 12 November 13, 6:48 AM | Message # 6 |
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| Likewise, support this motion (as soon as you make it legally viable, but it needs a lot of work... It does have it's technical and legal difficulties too. Perhaps it shall have my vote when it is made legally watertight.
Quote Roman_Lekpin (  ) slavery
Quote Roman_Lekpin ( ) in no way beneficial to the working of a civilized galaxy
Quote Roman_Lekpin ( ) Lorrd proposes that those who engage in slavery
Quote Roman_Lekpin ( ) utilizing slave labor or actively enslaving
What is slave labour? This is a Humanocentric act. Many species have adolescent or junior castes who would fit a humanocentric definition of slavery. You need to be more precise; what is it you wish to attack. For example, is a parent of a human adolescent a slave master when they compel them to do chores?
What is a slave?
What is a user of slave labour?
Define: Actively enslaving (do societies that enslave certain castes by default fall under this definition)
Quote Roman_Lekpin ( ) people
Humanocentric language, I advise it's removal. "Beings" etc is what you think you've said. But to non-humans using the word "people" is like me using the word "Hive" or "Swarm" to refer to a big group of humans. It sounds wrong and overly species specific.
Quote Roman_Lekpin ( ) are considered anathema in the sight of all civilized worlds of the Galactic Republic.
An anathema is something or someone that one vehemently dislikes. Are you really proposing to make a bill stating (in plain basic)
"We the Republic condemn chattel slavery and declare that we strongly dislike anyone who forces beings into this life, or who own them."
Quote Roman_Lekpin ( ) any and all practitioners of slavery
What does this actually mean? Those convicted of it? Suspected of it? Accused of it? Make your language more legalistic if you wish to actually be able to enforce this act.
Quote Roman_Lekpin ( ) or advocated of its use
This is a breach of their freedom of speech. Surely everyone has the right to advocate the use of a particular economic system? It would be unconstitutional to penalize beings merely for their opinion.
Quote Roman_Lekpin ( ) will be considered persona non grata
What do you mean in legal terms? Banned from travelling to Republic or Republic affiliated worlds? Banned from dealing with them?
If so, shouldn't we just cut off all links with Hutt Space and about half the Outer Rim's leaders, immediately.
Quote Zaizhi_Kongming ( ) 4) Any individual found practicing, supporting, or advocating in slavery or the slave trade shall be automatically charged for Crimes Against Civilization, in addition to all relevant criminal charges. In the case of a slaving-related charge of a crime against civilization, the case may be heard by the Courts rather than the Senate, at the Court's prerogative.
I don't think this is practical. There are already existing offenses of Slaving, Slave Trading and Holding Slaves. Advocating a particular system of labour "unfree labour" is not a crime and should not be a crime.
Existing offenses cover the actual criminal side of slaving. We don't need to declare it a "crime against sentience" any more than we do murder, or theft. Crimes against sentience must be of a sufficient scale to be worth their salt and most slaving activity is not. Individually you can't punish individual slavers for the crime that is the slave trade, any more than individual murderers for genocide. If we call every petty offense of keeping an individual in bondage "A crime against sentience" then we dilute the term.
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Sentients, this legislation is so broken that I must take back my previous words.
I have proposed my own Motion which I hope Senator Lekpin and Ryuun will agree to co-sponsor as well as the Senator of Duros who I invite likewise, that covers all these matters and actually acts to bring about an end to this problem.
Chancellor Luneray Kruus
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Supreme Chancellor of the Galactic Republic
President of the Senate &c
Representative of the People of the Humbarine Sector
Trade Baron
Message edited by Senator_Kruus - Tuesday, 12 November 13, 6:56 AM |
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| Senator_Cynum | Date: Tuesday, 12 November 13, 6:49 AM | Message # 7 |
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| The Trade Federation believes in Senator Kruus' legal knowledge, economic knowledge and draftsmanship in this matter. We withdraw our vote from this motion and intend to support the more thorough motion proposed by Senator Kruus.
Senator Prentiss Cynum
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Senator for the Trade Federation
Chair of the Trade Commission
Chair of the Security Committee
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| Crown_Prince_Ordan | Date: Tuesday, 12 November 13, 6:53 AM | Message # 8 |
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| I understand slavery is bad. I do more than most of you to actually combat the deplorable trade.
But should the senate be discussing mealy mouthed resolutions against it which don't actually do anything?
Absolutely not, this is a waste of time and to improve it to the point it would not be a waste of time would expend too much time entirely. I understand you dislike slavery as much or more than the next Senator, Mr Lekpin, but you shouldn't waste the time of the Senate just to declare so without any actual remedies or proposals attached.
I vote against.
His Most Royal and Secular Majesty Henrik III
By the Providence of the Universe, of the Sovereign World of Alderaan, of Avirandel, Delaya, Avishan and Raisa and of His other Realms and Territories, Prince-Regent. Head of the Alderaaan Sector Commonwealth, Defender of Secularism and Steward of the Commenor Run. &c
Representative of Alderaan in the Galactic Senate.
King of the Grizmallt System
Chair of the Senate Judiciary Committee
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| Verence_Terrawin | Date: Tuesday, 12 November 13, 7:02 AM | Message # 9 |
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| "I object to slavery as much as the next sentient. And share Prince Ordan's enthusiasm to see it purged from the Galaxy.
Will this motion even help achieve that goal? Or will it be the ships of the Anti-Slaving Squadrons many Core Worlds maintain?
Certainly this is purely a waste of time and I am not going to vote for a (even well intentioned) waste of time to go on the statute books.
I vote against on the basis that this is a superfluous and impotent piece of rhetoric.
Furthermore, I have a question from my Protocol Droid AL-3PO." He gestured the red protocol droid forward to speak.
"I am sure you Senators are all beings of infinitely greater wisdom and faculty than I. But might I petition and ask, on the behalf of myself and my fellow sentient machines. Many machines recognized by many authorities as having at least the sentience and sapience of the average human. Thus I ask, is not building us, selling us, dismantling us without our consent, wiping our memories without our consent, deactivating us arbitrarily and also not paying us, a form of slavery and barbarism equally as bad as that which occurs against organic beings? I am a free Droid, and recognized Sentient Construct Citizen of Alsakan, but why does the Republic not Recognize me as Free? You talk of Rights of Sentience, but what of Rights for all sentient beings? not just those lucky enough to be born biological."
Verence Terrawin
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Senator of Alsakan
First Lord of the Foreign Office, Alsakan
Director of the Senate Bureau of Intelligence
Chairbeing of the Appropriations Committee
Head of the Republic Stellar Cartography Service.
Message edited by Verence_Terrawin - Tuesday, 12 November 13, 8:16 AM |
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| Senator_Pryce | Date: Tuesday, 12 November 13, 11:07 AM | Message # 10 |
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| Senator Terrawin, I think your droid is in need of a memory wipe. Somehow or other it seems to have some fantastic political opinions stored in its CPU. Run along now, droid. We have important things to discuss.
I am actually sympathetic to Senator Kruus' last point, concerning Senator Kongming's proposed amendment. Slavery is a crime, but it is not a "crime against civilization." Forced labor is not comparable to say, the massacre on Aquilaris Minor a thousand years ago, in which entire cities were destroyed. The term "crime against civilization" should be treated with more solemnity. Indeed, more respect should be shown to the uncountable victims of the uncountable atrocities of galactic history than to compare their deaths to whatever this protocol droid was on about.
But I see no harm in this non-binding resolution provided that Senator Kongming's amendment is not adopted, and furthermore that the term "will" in Article 3 is amended to "should."
Jaso Pryce
Senator of Metellos and Supreme Chancellor Emeritus
Chairman of the Internal Activities Committee
Esteemed Member of the Trade Commission
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