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| Mike | Date: Friday, 14 March 14, 0:14 AM | Message # 11 |
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| Any response about the landing craft?
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| Chancellor_Kruus | Date: Friday, 14 March 14, 0:26 AM | Message # 12 |
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| OOMs can be independent or use a control signal.
I a fine with your suggestion on landers.
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| Jamie_the_Hutt | Date: Friday, 04 April 14, 7:13 AM | Message # 13 |
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| I'd go with the ooms (we don't know they're baktoid droids even, referred to as "Droid Pilots" in cloak and plageius. So I assume a degree of independence. Onboard crews are about 1/10 control computer operated and independent on a Lucrehulk freighter with the more intelligent ones acting as security etc.
Landers are predecessors.
So all good?
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| Mike | Date: Saturday, 05 April 14, 2:51 PM | Message # 14 |
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| I'm fine with the OOM pilot droids being more independent of the control ship, but I'd still like to see the ground forces themselves be dependent on the control ship.
With those caveats, I approve. Just need Jace for the final sign off.
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| Brian_Kruus | Date: Sunday, 06 April 14, 4:20 AM | Message # 15 |
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| The vessel used for important missions such as intimidation etc.
Questionable Ethics - Approve
Compliment-
9,000x OOM Battle Droids
1,000x HKB-3 hunter-killer droid
24,000 Trade Defense Force Marines (not stationed as standard but may be dispatched in emergencies)
50x Droideka - Approve
20x GX1 Converted landing craft (all the comfortable stuff ripped out replaced with basic benches and additional landing ramps placed.
240x Scarab Droid Fighters - Approve
240x A-6 Interceptors with OOM Pilot Droids - Approve
As a minor caveat, I will note that stand-alone droids are not quite prevalent as of yet, as noted even in the Outbound Flight novel. As such, all droids here would have to, more or less, 'take commands from the tower' with the tower being the Lucrehulk. Of course, this renders chances for jamming the droids' signal, control, etc.
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Hidden Income - Converted Battle Horn-class Bulk Cruiser (since captor-class isn't in existence).
Added Armament -
10 of the Quadlasers upgraded to Quad Turbolasers.
Compliment -
36 A-6 Interceptor with droid pilots.
10 JS-77B Shuttle (converted from luxury to hold 50 humans if needed)
Passengers-
100 OOM Battle Droids
200 TDF Marines
50 SD-6 Infantry Droids
100 HKB-3 hunter-killer droid
10x Droideka
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Forces that can be NPCed by Brian in the Outer and Mid Rim Free Trade Zones (for pirate defense etc). Usually in groups of three. Upto 2 may be summoned to serve as escort to the Questionable Ethics or the Hidden Income
2 Munifex-class Frigates
4 Auxillia-class Pursuit Corvettes (stats identical to Imperial Light Corvette as discussed elsewhere)
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| Mike | Date: Sunday, 13 April 14, 1:01 PM | Message # 16 |
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| The Questionable Ethics has already approved. I'll note that you upped your compliment of onboard soldiers considerably, though. Looking back, I am wondering why we approved an assorted 480 total fighters for one ship. Granted, the ship can hold a lot. But this is a single ship, and most ships don't hold but a maximum of maybe four squadrons. I wouldn't mind hearing from Jace on this.
I approve of the Trade Defense Force marines; I think they'd be more prevalent in this period anyway, rather than battle droids.
I approve of the 20x GX1 converted haulers.
On to the next ship!
There is some questionable nature, from what I've discerned so far, as to whether or not the Battle Horn is around just yet, largely drawn from the page of the Neutron Star-class, which is supposed to be identical in a number of ways to the Battle Horn class. However, I am willing to bend a bit of canon and approve the ship, with a few caveats:
1) Specify which quad lasers are being upgraded to quad turbolasers.
2) Due to the vessel itself, power draw, etc, these quad turbolasers will only be approved as light quad turbolasers.
3) The Battle Horn-class was never modified for an actual fighter compliment. The Neutron Star-class was modified, capable of carrying 36 starfighters, but at the cost of armament and crew requirements. So you can either have ships, but less weapons, or the weapons and no fighters. As well, if you want the shuttles, you'll have to sacrifice a bit more.
If the starfighter compliment is what you want, note the mention of 'ambiguously canon' on the JS-77B shuttle. I don't mind it, and I'll go with the design. Just found it amusing.
I will, unfortunately, deny the use of the SD-6 Hulk droid for anyone's use outside of Judicial Forces and direct Republic (read as, Republic military) use. For one, "Developed during the last centuries of the Galactic Republic, the "Hulk" saw most of its action deployed by the Old Republic as a defensive unit for vulnerable hangar facilities and landing pads." Also coming to mention: "During the Clone Wars, the Old Republic withdrew the droids from active duty to avoid confusion with the droid forces of the enemy." As such, I don't see (or find mention of) the Trade Federation using this particular droid model.
The next part should be simple.
I approve 2x Munifex-class (Class 1000) cruisers.
I will put pending the Auxilia-class, as we need to close out the request on it.
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| Brian_Kruus | Date: Sunday, 13 April 14, 1:16 PM | Message # 17 |
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| Lucrehulk Fighters
These are how the Lucrehulk defends and attacks in battle, with swarms of fighters. I am just carrying this back into the past.
The Lucrehulk carries circa 1.5 thousand droid starfighters.
When used by the rebel alliance, the Fortressa carries 500 X-Wings when it attacks the death star (and indeed it's implied more are ready to launch when its destroyed)
The Hulk
It's a design seen in mercenary and privateer use. I don't see why the design would be kept "Republic only" since it's hardly got any distinctive weapons. There's no mention of the TF using them because they were introduced before there was a Trade Federation (in sources pre-episode 1) and it's never been retconned properly. Its use by the Republic military is mentioned because thats the only thing they could definitively state existed in the prequel era. And frankly, it's seen in Independent hands anyway.
I don't see the logic here. I could list (literally) a dozen designs where you could assert the same flimsy excuse to veto.
As for the battle-horn I'll shelve it since I am not disposed to quibble over semantics and I am sure we can pick out a more appropriate ship at a later date.
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| Mike | Date: Sunday, 13 April 14, 1:57 PM | Message # 18 |
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| Can't argue with the facts on the Lucrehulk.
I'm not averse to going with an earlier model of the SD line, which stretches down to the SD-4, so you'd be able to write in certain stats, of course. There's even an SD-0, although it, too, lacks clear stats. Or any stats.
Quote During the days of the Galactic Empire, the original duties of the SD-6 were taken over by smaller and more agile the droids,[3] but the SD-6 was still used by the Imperial armed forces
Quote As the series began to be phased out, many units were either scrapped or sold. Although illegal, some crime lords acquired these war droids to protect their personal starships or act as security forces—alone or supported by other minions. Mercenaries also acquired several SD-6 war droids.
A lot of the usage isn't seen until after the Empire has taken over. Either way, there's an issue here, but I'm not convinced. Sorry man.
We can still work the Battle Horn if you like. I'm not averse to a non-fighter carrying version with the upgraded armaments.
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| Brian_Kruus | Date: Monday, 14 April 14, 2:03 AM | Message # 19 |
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| Please review the citation I've quoted elsewhere on the SD-6 "Hulk" and let me know if that's still your position.
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All back on page one thanks to the Captor-class being backdated to this period! Hooray.
Compliments are adjusted and posted here as well.
Questionable Ethics (Lucrehulk Battleshop) Compliment
Complement:
9,000x HKB-3 hunter-killer droid
500 OOM Battle Droids
500 SD-6 "Hulk" Infantry Droids
24,000 Trade Defense Force Marines (not stationed as standard but may be dispatched in emergencies)
50 Droideka
40 Trade Federation Shuttles
4 Heavy Lifters (or period equivalent) so Cargo pods full of Droids could be landed (since they dont need breathe)
Fighter Wings
210 Scarab Droid Fighters
210 A-6 Interceptors with OOM Pilot Droids
60 R-41 Starchasers crewed by the TDF Fighter Corps best organic pilots.
Hidden Income (Captor-class Munitions Cruiser) Compliment
Compliment:
60 SD-6 "Hulk" Droids
600 Hunter-Killer Droids
Upto 2 Battalions of TDF Marines (1200 total)
8 Trade Federation Shuttles
Fighter Wing
*36 Scarab-class Droid Fighters
*12 Cutlass-9 Patrol Fighters
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| Mike | Date: Monday, 14 April 14, 8:55 AM | Message # 20 |
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| I'm still not sold on the SD-6, really. However, keeping in mind that "often used in private militaries and mercenary units as weapons of war," and "often used to guard hangars and docking bays where heavy weaponary is a deterrent to would-be intruders," I'll approve certain numbers, but don't expect it to be overly widespread for anyone requesting them. I also hope you'll use them properly as mentioned.
I approve the Questionable Ethics and compliment with 50x SD-6 droids.
I will approve the Hidden Income with 10x SD-6 droids.
This still requires Jace to take a look, though.
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