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Declaration for the Annexation of Drongar
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| Jeph_Stomwell | Date: Tuesday, 01 April 14, 11:56 PM | Message # 11 |
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| Come now, gentlebeings; the Senate is not a place to waste time discussing possible business dealings. Senator Lekpin has informed the Senate of his intent, and if there is no further business here, perhaps we can move on. Senator Lekpin, Representative Cynum, perhaps you two would be willing to continue your discussion on your own time?
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| Chancellor_Kruus | Date: Wednesday, 02 April 14, 3:20 PM | Message # 12 |
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| Wranglings aside. The Nikto don't appear to recognize your claim, Senator Lekpin.
They do make a compelling argument, and I think you ought to at least recognize their claim to a degree and grant them a share of the world which they discovered, and mapped (along with many others in the surrounding region)
I wouldn't wish to see this erupting into a mess.
Chancellor Luneray Kruus
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| Verence_Terrawin | Date: Wednesday, 02 April 14, 3:56 PM | Message # 13 |
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| Alsakan firmly backs the Nikto claim. Theyre an impoverished race who deserve what few fragments of value their exploitation has left them with.
We do not recognize Lorrd's sovereignty over Drongar and call strongly upon all liberal minded Senators to call for a negotiated settlement based on legitimacy of the Nikto claim.
Verence Terrawin
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First Lord of the Foreign Office, Alsakan
Director of the Senate Bureau of Intelligence
Chairbeing of the Appropriations Committee
Head of the Republic Stellar Cartography Service.
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| Lomen_Ryuun | Date: Wednesday, 02 April 14, 4:11 PM | Message # 14 |
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| Senator Kruus, you and I are like-minded beings in terms of profit. According to the well-known Enyclopedia Galactica article on Drongar; the same Encyclopedia Galactica which many of us refer to, as well as documentation of the legal regards to Drongar, the Nikto have never made a claim of any sort, known or stated, upon Drongar, to this date in time. If they are now choosing to do so, it's likely a Huttese ploy.
I was never fond of you, Terrawin, but now I see that your version of 'liberal-minded' extends practically to threats and terrorism. Even looking past the fact that the Nikto and the Hutts don't have the means or method to safely extract bota, you have no call to try and evict a world's legitimate claim. You'd make just as much sense saying that Alderaan should be evicted from Jerne because the world originally belonged to the Jerni.
Lomen Ryuun
Senator, Druckenwell (103 BBY - 93 BBY)
Minister of Economics
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| Verence_Terrawin | Date: Wednesday, 02 April 14, 5:05 PM | Message # 15 |
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| I see no reference to the claim being asserted over Druckenwell, Lorrd etc.
They made a claim. Surely yes, it was outside of the Republic, but are we to allow predatory interests to swoop in?
The Nikto claim is verified by the Hutt Grand Council. I don't care what can be extracted from the world, I care whom it belongs to. I have no fondness for the Hutts but this is a claim made by the Nikto Species for their own betterment. I support Nikto self-betterment.
If the Jerni were alive, yes, Alderaan should move aside for them, but they're centuries dead.
You avaricious greedmongers bring shame to what it means to be human. They're offering you a lease on the claim are they not? So be reasonable. Settle with them diplomatically.
Verence Terrawin
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First Lord of the Foreign Office, Alsakan
Director of the Senate Bureau of Intelligence
Chairbeing of the Appropriations Committee
Head of the Republic Stellar Cartography Service.
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| Lomen_Ryuun | Date: Wednesday, 02 April 14, 5:25 PM | Message # 16 |
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| Perhaps that is because there is no claim on the worlds of Druckenwell or Lorrd, Terrawin. Are you sure you know of what you are speaking?
How exactly you managed to jump into the Hutt Grand Council's pocket and suddenly state that the claim made by the Nikto is either valid or legitimate, and mind you, I wouldn't put it past the Hutt Cartel to simply make up that such a claim has been lodged, I don't know. I also highly doubt you support Nikto self-betterment, as opposed to the chance to stick your nose somewhere else it doesn't belong in an attempt to plaster Alsakan over the HoloNet. As always.
Furthermore, I find it very odd and unlikely that this 'Uassa' fellow is actually legitimate. From what I've heard of him, briefly, he is the self-described 'appointed emissary of the Nikto species, subordinate to the Hutt Council.' However, this trumps the known fact that a Huttese attache of the Hutt Clans of the Ancients rules the Nikto, and speaks for them on every political level. Now, granted, a Nikto can become a clan chieftain, yes, but it's a fact that the Hutts speak for the Nikto in dealings with the rest of the galaxy.
It's unfortunate that the Nikto are slaves to the Hutts, yes, but they are a Huttese subordinate race. Nikto have been implicated and convicted of acts of slavery for the Hutt Cartel since time out of mind, along with several other Hutt-subordinate races. Even, even giving the Nikto the benefit of the doubt, small as it may be, and overlooking their slavery, they still serve the Hutt Cartels, which are slavers, and as such, even considering this course of action, settling with the Nikto, puts you in the pocket with slavers, Terrawin.
I don't think I'd very much like to stand with you on any issue where you back slavers. I do however, see the Lorrdian claim as legitimate, and I do believe I'll be sending a few ships from Druckenwell to stand by with holobroadcasts from a neutral standpoint, as well as scout other additional worlds that are unclaimed.
Lomen Ryuun
Senator, Druckenwell (103 BBY - 93 BBY)
Minister of Economics
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| Verence_Terrawin | Date: Wednesday, 02 April 14, 5:47 PM | Message # 17 |
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| The Nikto, so I have been informed, have relative autonomy as a part of Hutt Space, the official ruling Hutt Clan has been sluggish and inactive for millennia and the Hutt Council has authorized their species to have an emissary to the galaxy on this matter. I'm not in the pocket of any slaver.
I'd see these rights distributed between the two parties in question. If this fails to occur, we'll simply buy the Nikto claim if we can, and give it to the Republic. Because we believe human profiteering here is disgusting; you make me ashamed to be human with your venal greed and expansionism.
The Nikto plainly discovered the world. Share it with them; or leave them to their devices. You're simply not respecting the Nikto because they're aliens, and they're weaker than you; just like the Lorrdians have been. As I say; Alsakan buy the claim if need be and donate it for the benefit of the whole Republic.
Verence Terrawin
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First Lord of the Foreign Office, Alsakan
Director of the Senate Bureau of Intelligence
Chairbeing of the Appropriations Committee
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| Chancellor_Kruus | Date: Thursday, 03 April 14, 1:22 AM | Message # 18 |
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| I counter motion and I propose we decline annexing Drongar into the Republic, while making no statement as to the Lorrdian claim. It's outside of our physical borders being off the Galactic rim and simply not an area that is efficient to bring into the Galaxy.
Now if Lorrd wishes to annex it as a province outside of the Republic. So be it. I hope they at least try to deal with the Nikto with some honesty, they are a race which has suffered much and simply seem to want a fair share of their discovery. I urge Lorrd to negotiate with them.
Chancellor Luneray Kruus
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President of the Senate &c
Representative of the People of the Humbarine Sector
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Message edited by Senator_Kruus - Thursday, 03 April 14, 1:23 AM |
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| Senator_Cynum | Date: Thursday, 03 April 14, 1:28 AM | Message # 19 |
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| What says Lorrd to this? I essentially support this stance. Keep the Republic's bureaucracy out of Drongar and allow the free market to flourish?
Senator Prentiss Cynum
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| Crown_Prince_Ordan | Date: Thursday, 03 April 14, 1:36 AM | Message # 20 |
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| This is all totally in line with the ancient Core Founder legal principle of "Acquiris Quodcumquae Rapis" so I wish Lorrd the best of luck.
His Most Royal and Secular Majesty Henrik III
By the Providence of the Universe, of the Sovereign World of Alderaan, of Avirandel, Delaya, Avishan and Raisa and of His other Realms and Territories, Prince-Regent. Head of the Alderaaan Sector Commonwealth, Defender of Secularism and Steward of the Commenor Run. &c
Representative of Alderaan in the Galactic Senate.
King of the Grizmallt System
Chair of the Senate Judiciary Committee
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