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Minor Conflict on the edge of the Cygnus Star Empire
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| Chancellor_Kruus | Date: Sunday, 23 March 14, 3:07 AM | Message # 1 |
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| Ord Wylan is now under the control of a religious paramilitary unit, the unit is composed of men and material which appear to originate from the Republic.
There are two accounts of how the current state of affairs came to a head:
The Cygnus Star Empire official account
The Ord Wylan defences were quickly overwhelmed and the Cygnus Duke surrendered to save his city from orbital Bombardment, Cygnus Space element withdrew as it was outmatched by the attackers. The Cygnus Grand Vizier has stated that the Pro-Duke of Ord Wylan has since been signing documents under duress or threat of violence which while appearing to legitimise the occupation are unlikely to be enforced in any court. The Cygnus Star Empire has declared the invasion an unprovoked and unjustified act of hostility.
This view is endorsed by:
The Cygnus Star Empire
The Hutt Grand Council
The Cassandran Worlds
And several other regional satellite states of the Hutts.
The Account of the Paramilitary Religious Group who overtook Ord Wylan
The Ord Wylan Crusade was a missionary movement that carried only defensive weapons. On seeing a miracle (pillars of light raining from the skies being the most common description) the Duke of Ord Wylan invited the Prophet of this new religion to come in and rule Ord Wylan as part of the "Kingdom of the Deity". The Duke signed a declaration of independence from the Cygnus Star Empire before officially proclaiming his world a fief of this new entity. This account is criticised as false by the Ord Wylan Space defences who claim they were ordered to fight before the order to surrender or retreat was given.
This account has so far been officially endorsed and recognized by:
A Majority of the Planetary Governments of the Seswenna Sector (The Seswenna Sector Governor has stated he has no view as it is concerned solely with the management of its own worlds not distant ones close to Hutt Space.
The Antiquity System Government
The Denebia System Government
The Suliana System Government
Limited support for this version has also been issued by the:
Kingdom of the Jerne System - Supporting legitimacy of freeing worlds from Huttese yoke.
The Azure Sector Union for the Protection of Humans (Humanocentric pressure group) - Endorsing the casting out of Huttese overlordship and calling for the Republic to go to war with the Hutt Council's domains "to free them from tyranny"
I call upon the Republic to declare neutrality in this matter, and to urge both parties to refrain from the use of force to solve their dispute.
Chancellor Luneray Kruus
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| Senator_Pryce | Date: Sunday, 23 March 14, 11:43 AM | Message # 2 |
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| I'll speak with the Minister of State. He's been engaged with Cygnus Star Empire-related issues and can probably arrange for a formal statement of neutrality, if that's what the Senate wants. This Ord Wylan business is not particularly interesting to me, certainly. The Cygnus Star Empire unilaterally voided all law enforcement agreements with the Republic, so it has no recourse in Republic courts. If the Governor of the Seswenna Sector wanted to confiscate the assets of these "crusaders" to indemnify the Cygnus Star Empire for the loss of Ord Wylan, that's something he could do. But I don't believe he's under any obligation to.
Jaso Pryce
Senator of Metellos and Supreme Chancellor Emeritus
Chairman of the Internal Activities Committee
Esteemed Member of the Trade Commission
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| Senator_Cynum | Date: Sunday, 23 March 14, 5:16 PM | Message # 3 |
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| I know you're the polymath of the place, my friend, but where is Ord Wylan? And does it really matter in the grand scheme of things?
Senator Prentiss Cynum
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| Jeph_Stomwell | Date: Monday, 24 March 14, 1:07 PM | Message # 4 |
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| Far be it from me to overlook the plight of civilians on another world, even if Ord Wylan is outside of Republic jurisdiction, but perhaps we ought to look into a religious movement that is making militaristic movements towards other worlds, especially close to Huttese areas of control. I'm sure we can all remember what happened the last time such a group did the same thing, also under religious guise.
Jeph Stomwell
Senator, Baltimn
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| Elon_Tarkin | Date: Monday, 24 March 14, 10:10 PM | Message # 5 |
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| Tarkin cleared himself taking the floor, just to make a snide remark.
Religious Militaristic Movements, from the Republic? Fighting wars?
What does that remind me of, Gentlemen?
Allow me to present a list of wars in which an Order of Religious Warriors from the Republic were involved in significant conflicts. I speak of course of the Holy Order of Jedi Knights.
The First Great Schism
The Jedi fought a war over a theological distinction against another religion. The war was fought across Core Worlds from Coruscant to Corulag, Metellos to Brentaal. The war ended with the Jedi Committing wholesale war crimes against their opposing religion.
The Recusal
Next the Jedi decided to involve themselves in the Republic because it was run by the elected representatives of another religion.
"The Jedi Coup"
Following talks with the Caamasi, the Jedi Order ended its period of isolation, known as the Recusal, and begin to move against the Galactic Republic, which was run by an elected Chancellor who represented the majority religion in the Galaxy, that of Pius Dea. They committed acts of cultural and religious genocide after bloodily overthrowing the elected Chancellor Contispex XIX by force and placing a Jedi Master on the Chancellor's Podium at the point of a lightsaber. They conducted a systematic purge of the religion, ignoring peoples rights to free religion, conducting extra-judicial prohibitions of office for Pius Dea religionists and suppressing the ballots on Pius Dea faithful worlds. The Dictator "Chancellor" Biel Ductavis took over and supervised this horrific set of crimes against sentience. Among the Jedi's allies were the Hutts, the Jedi fought against the legitimately elected Republic Government in a bloody civil war, with the aid of non-Republic parties such as the Hutts. Disgraceful.
"The Second Great Schism/Hundred years of Darkness"
The Jedi had an internal disagreement over the nature of "the force", and over certain archaic religious ceremonies. They cast out a number of their group, both claiming to be the Legitimate Jedi Order and fighting a one hundred year pointless war over "Who were the real Jedi", unfortunately the Republic became drawn in. The winners named themselves the Jedi Order for posterity while the losers were exiled and branded "Dark Jedi". The Republic legal system at the time called for the execution of the "Dark Jedi" who had used mass destructive weapons, but the Jedi Order decided it was above the law and instead permitted the "Dark Jedi" to go and live elsewhere.
The Great Hyperspace War
Sending the embittered outcasts of their cult out into the Galaxy, they built their own highly successful polity. After the lessons learned at the hands of the Jedi who had so often persecuted alternative religious groups, not least of all that which had happened to their own ancestors. The Empire founded by these outcasts went to war with the Jedi, history says it was with the Republic but the facts really demonstrate they merely sought to protect themselves from Jedi dominance, and as the Jedi ran the Republic in this period in all but name.
The Jedi run Republic came out on top and Chancellor Pultimo (possibly under Jedi influence) dispatched Jedi and Republic forces to invade the Sith Worlds in order to ensure there were no remnants left. The resulting purge nearly drove the Sith species to extinction, in addition to countless billions of other Sith Empire citizens slaughtered with Jedi assistance.
The sects fought, again the Republic ended up bleeding billions of lives as pawns for the Jedi Order. After the war Jedi Odan-Urr founded the great museum city upon the planet Ossus to glorify the Jedi version of events.
The Third Jedi Schism
The Jedi decided they had further religious differences within their order and so they decided in their traditional manner of conflict resolution, to bloodily slaughter eachother to solve the problem.
The recently kicked out "Dark Jedi" are accused in the Jedi penned history of planning to use a superweapon which actually ended up conveniently not killing any Jedi but slaughtering the majority of the expelled Jedi when the Vultar System was destroyed by the weapon; modern historians have questioned the validity of the Jedi account.
The Jedi High Council attributed the destruction of the system and the Schism itself as the cause of the Great Sith War and the Jedi Civil War to follow. During the Order's Conclave on the planet Deneba in 3,997 BBY, Jedi Master Shayoto mentioned the Vultar Cataclysm as a warning to others who might follow the "dark" path; 'disagree with the formal edicts and religious laws the Council of our religion imposes upon you as a member of the religion, or else have your Star System obliterated"
Par for the course at this point from the Jedi.
The Great Sith War
The "Sith" cult of the Jedi Order. Presumably and justifiably unhappy after being exterminated wholesale by Jedi and the Republic under their command, they rebuilt themselves over a thousand years and went to war a millenia after their quasi-annihalation. They fought allied with the Mandalorians and other groups who didn't believe in the Jedi's right to be the Galactic Arbiter, again the Republic was forced to fight to protect these troublesome monks and billions died.
Notably, many powerful Jedi abandoned their order to support this movement which opposed the Orthodox order that we have seen thus far to have been behind many massive genocides and acts of tyranny over the people of the Galaxy.
The Republic bloodily won the conflict for the Jedi's own good, and they had the audacity afterward to be hesitant to agree to help keep the peace in the Republic while they could still hunt down the remnants of the religious and political groups which had fought the war, after all slaughtering those who disagree with you is more satisfying to a power mad laser sword wheilder (as history shows) than simple acts pro bono publico.
The Mandalorian Wars
The Mandalorian Wars was the term given to the sixteen years of conflict between the Mandalorian warrior culture (which had dared to pick the side of the non-Orthodox Jedi instead of the main cult twenty years before) and the Galactic Republic that began in 3976 BBY with the Battle of Althir. Occurring two decades after the end of the Great Sith War, the Mandalorian Wars spanned almost two decades, though historians often disagreed on the endpoints of the conflict.
The conflict was an act of desparation by the Mandalorians, families and clans would be hunted down and slaughtered by roving Jedi bands for their support of the non-orthodox Jedi in the previous war. They decided to band together and fight for their lives.
The Mandalorians did well, and the Jedi had another schism which ended up with some groups sitting and refusing to involve themselves in the bloody mess they caused, and sme fighting actively. A large number of Jedi quit the Order, further opening a schism and founded the Mandalorian Jedi, these devoted themselves to protecting the Mandalorians from the rest of their order.
A interventionist Jedi Cult called the Revanchists eventually lead the Republic to a number of extremely costly and bloody victories, destroying much of the Mandalorian culture for simply trying to fight back against a threatened Jedi genocide.
The Jedi Civil War/First Jedi Purge
Again the Jedi had a schism over theological differences. There was a violent Galaxy spanning war in which neither side secured the upper hand but both the Orthodox-Jedi and Non-Orthodox Jedi gained power through the conflict, billions died for the squabbling of different Jedi religions. The Orthodox Jedi had their numbers thinned down to around a hundred. It would have been a better had they all died if you asked me, so they could no longer be such a malevolent and dangerous threat to the people of the Republic who they so often took to war "for their protection" resulting in billions of Republic citizens dying.
Amusingly, the Jackboot was on the other foot at the end of the Jedi Civil War and the non-Orthodox Jedi launched purges of the Orthodox Jedi remaining, rather as the Orthodox Jedi had done many times to various non-Orthodox groups. Still the Jedi learned no humility or sense.
Eventually the Jedi bounced back, whipped the Republic into line following them into war, assassinated the Non-Orthodox Jedi leaders and won in the long term by killing the majority of their rivals. As is standard, uncounted sentients died during this conflict.
Purge and counter purge, ever has been the history of Jedi religion.
The Great Galactic War
The Great Galactic War, known as the Great War during the conflict and in the years afterward, was a war between the Non-Orthodox Jedi Empire and the Galactic Republic between 3681 BBY and 3653 BBY, lasting for a total of 28 years. The conflict was ultimately the culmination of a 1300-year grudge held by survivors of the old Empire which had been built by exiled Non-Orthodox Jedi against the Republic for their defeat in the Great Hyperspace War and the many atrocities the Jedi committed against them.
An eye for an eye, Jedi sects again fought bloodily and brought the Galaxy along with their two factions. The Non-Orthodox Jedi won this one and the Republic suffered an extreme recession under the "Guidance" of the wise Holy Order of Jedi Knights. The war breaks the Republic and the effective controllers of the Republic, the Jedi, traded whole systems to their religious opponents to ensure their own survival.
The Cold War
The Jedi Orthodoxy, never one to accept defeat continued to rebuild militarily and eventually pushed the Galactic Republic back to war with the Non-Orthodox Jedi Empire (for their own selfish need for total Galactic power), the Jedi ended 11 years of peace.
The Galactic war
After twelve years of tenuous peace in the form of the Cold War, the actions of the Jedi caused conflict to break out once more between the major galactic powers. A Jedi Knight caused additional stress on political relations by killing Tarnis, the son of Darth Angral and so lit the tinder. Soon the whole Galaxy was fighting again over ridiculous Jedi theological differences concerning "the force"
The war raged on, a Total War across the Galaxy resulting in hundreds of megadeaths for no good reason. The Jedi lead forces of the Republic eventually won after they cooperated with a Hutt attempt to seize Non-Orthodox Jedi Worlds, similarly to the Pius Dea incident the Jedi and the Hutts have been close friends when fighting religious groups who stand up to the Hutts or Jedi.
The Fourth Great Schism and The "New Sith Wars"
1600ish years after the end of the Galactic War which had caused so much misery, the Jedi and the Non-Orthodox variants of the Jedi decided to have another crack at eachother. This time they decided to do it on an epic scale and spent almost a thousand years at war.
For almost a thousand years after the final Alsakan Conflict, the galaxy had enjoyed an era of relative peace and social and economic stability. Essentially, a Jedi called Phanius decided to quit and set up his own Jedi-like group with fifty of his compatriots. How great a schism consisting of 51 is from an order of thousands is, I have never seen clarified. For whatever reason the Non-Orthodox Jedi and Orthodox Jedi had a scrap and decided to keep at it, drawing in whatever allies from he Republic and elsewhere they could. The time is noted for the Genocide of the Ubese committed by the Jedi "by accident".
After around 200 years of war, Galactic Civilization was breaking down. The collapse of the HoloNet and interstellar commerce and the general downward spiral of the Galactic Republic continued unabated. Jedi were forced to assume greater leadership, commanding the Republic military, and even becoming Supreme Chancellors, despite the public opinion against them. In 1400 BBY the last non-Jedi ended their service as Supreme Chancellor. For the next four centuries, only Jedi would serve in the post. This Jedi seizure of the power in the broken Republic and 400 year despotic rulership over it is a mark that the Jedi religion sought power as much as those they accused of doing so, the Non-Orthodox Jedi Cults.
An outbreak of Candorian plague killed two-thirds of the inhabitants of some Republic worlds. The Jedi provided no recorded help.
The Dark Ages also known as the Jedi Tyranny, Jedi Despotism, Jedi Reign of Terror and the Jedi Era of Conquest.
The last hundred years of the New Sith wars is called the "Hundred Years of Darkness" when chaos reigned and misery was the standard. The Jedi Order began quests with the goal of establishing personality cults around themselves heroes, to rout entire systems of Sith influence. Standing as these systems' last line of defense, these individual Jedi became celebrated and and quickly came to hold political might. As their constituent worlds came to appreciate their service, these Jedi became barons or kings of entire systems and sectors, taking up the title Jedi Lord.
Establishing castles and manors as their formal residences, these Lords created a formal hereditary system, passing down their titles to their offspring for several generations. The peaceful regions of space stood as islands of light in the darkness created by the Sith, and even Coruscant and the Galactic Senate was presided over by Jedi Supreme Chancellors. During this time, the Jedi High Council competed directly with the Jedi Grand Council which consisted of Lords from across the galaxy.
The Alternative Non-Orthodox Jedi Sect, who ironically were at the start of this stupid war accused of being what the Jedi became by its end, accidentally destroyed themselves with some sort of weapon of mass destruction. They fortunately took most of the Senior Jedi aristocrats with them (who surely wouldn't have surrendered their private Empires or their feudal Jedi Hegemonic Republic).
The Jedi were massively unpopular by this point, and with few remaining they could no longer cow the people of the Republic into being their serfs. They settled a deal with the Republic to preserve them as a peaceful order devoted to helping the Republic and abandoned (for the most part) the slaughter and tyranny they'd spent the last thousand years partaing in. Essentially in order to avoid an popular uprising against the Jedi having any power, Jedi allied politicians passed the Ruusan Reformation, (lead by Valorum) much as many Jedi disapproved of this, they realized the Galaxy was tired of their constant wars, their overlordship and genocide. The deal was a compromise in that it saved the Order's existence but made it a pawn of the Republic (in theory) not vice versa. Valorum was elected the first non-Jedi Chancellor for hundreds of years.
Since then they live off Republic money and provide services to us when they feel inclined. What a great deal.
My point?
The Jedi are no different from this Militaristic Religious Order, aside from the fact this Order has (to my knowledge) no previous record of genocide, crimes against sentience, schisming and dragging the entire Galaxy into bloody wars or collapsing civilization then taking over as tyrants because the people had no other option?
This group doesn't even use the force. Surely compared to previous movements, the Jedi themselves and the splinter and non-orthodox factions in the past, these are small fry?
Elon Tarkin
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Governor of the Seswenna Sector and Eriadu
Majority Shareholder, Quintad Orbital Manufacturing
Prominent former member of "The Faithful of the Good Deity"
Former Pius Dea Cultist
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| Zaizhi_Kongming | Date: Monday, 24 March 14, 10:21 PM | Message # 6 |
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| I ask that the Chancellor restore order in the Senate, and motion that the unauthorized speech by a non-member of the Senate be stricken from the record and that the Sergeant At Arms removes Governor Tarkin from the Senate Building.
Zaizhi Kongming
Senator of Duro and the Duro Sector
Chair of the Judiciary Committee
Admiral of the Fleet, Duro Navy
Admiral of the Coreworlds
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| Elon_Tarkin | Date: Monday, 24 March 14, 10:31 PM | Message # 7 |
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| Quote Elon_Tarkin (  ) Tarkin cleared himself taking the floor, just to make a snide remark.
It would be noted that as per procedure, Tarkin had gained clearance in advance to take the floor.
Elon Tarkin
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Majority Shareholder, Quintad Orbital Manufacturing
Prominent former member of "The Faithful of the Good Deity"
Former Pius Dea Cultist
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| Senator_Pryce | Date: Monday, 24 March 14, 11:26 PM | Message # 8 |
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| Yes, order please. We shall have order. However, Mr. Tarkin is a Governor, not a Senator. I think we can forgive him any lapses in decorum this time, and since we can't "unhear" what the man has said, I don't see any point in striking it from the record. But the Governor is reminded to request the floor before speaking in the future. If you have anything else to say that is relevant to this discussion, Governor, you are recognized to say it now.
Jaso Pryce
Senator of Metellos and Supreme Chancellor Emeritus
Chairman of the Internal Activities Committee
Esteemed Member of the Trade Commission
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| Elon_Tarkin | Date: Monday, 24 March 14, 11:49 PM | Message # 9 |
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| That I second this call for Republic Neutrality. My point is we have always been drawn into the wars of various religions, mostly variants of the Jedi religion. I believe this sets a precedent for our vulnerability to be lead to war or in support of religious causes that ultimately are not in the best interests of the Galactic Republic.
Elon Tarkin
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Governor of the Seswenna Sector and Eriadu
Majority Shareholder, Quintad Orbital Manufacturing
Prominent former member of "The Faithful of the Good Deity"
Former Pius Dea Cultist
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| Crown_Prince_Ordan | Date: Thursday, 27 March 14, 8:50 PM | Message # 10 |
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| Chancellor, is freebooting in this manner legal? Irrespective of Cygnite status as a friend or enemy of the Republic, do we let our people invade our neighbours? Surely we are responsible?
His Most Royal and Secular Majesty Henrik III
By the Providence of the Universe, of the Sovereign World of Alderaan, of Avirandel, Delaya, Avishan and Raisa and of His other Realms and Territories, Prince-Regent. Head of the Alderaaan Sector Commonwealth, Defender of Secularism and Steward of the Commenor Run. &c
Representative of Alderaan in the Galactic Senate.
King of the Grizmallt System
Chair of the Senate Judiciary Committee
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