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Small craft for the Stars of Arcadia
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| Lim_Hejin | Date: Saturday, 27 April 13, 4:14 PM | Message # 1 |
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| With only five docking clamps and no hangar compliment, the Stars of Arcadia is somewhat limited in regards to ability to attack or defend necessarily and, lacking ion cannons, truly capture vessels. As such, I'd like to request the following craft:
2x Heavily modified Freefall-class bombers set akin to the actual named vessel Freefall modified as follows:
- Bomb hangar reduced to 10 bombs
- Laser cannons at 'normal' damage
- 2x Rotating laser cannon turrets replaced with 2x rotating ion cannon turrets
2x Z-95-AF4 Headhunters
1x VCX-700 heavy courier (modified as follows)
- 1x Dual laser cannon turret replaced by 1x dual ion cannon turret
Lim Hejin
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| Jaron | Date: Tuesday, 30 April 13, 9:47 PM | Message # 2 |
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| Perhaps this should have waited until the Stars of Arcadia was approved, or better yet, have been included? Nonetheless, I APPROVE of this request.
Jaron Park
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| Jace_Varitek | Date: Wednesday, 01 May 13, 1:30 AM | Message # 3 |
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| I vote to DENY the Freefall-class ships and the VCX-300 heavy courier, which is one of the most heavily-armed ships of its size that we know of. The VCX-300 on top of the Arcadia amounts to altogether too much firepower. I understand your point about lacking a certain ability to capture ships, although I dispute it. Intimidation is probably the best weapon in 90% of the pirate raids that Hejin would do—a frightened, unarmed ship simply isn't going to fight back and should be easily captured, especially if you equip the Arcadia with a tractor beam projector. Plus surely Hejin is more interested in looting ships than capturing them, especially when he barely has enough crew for the ship he currently has.
For RP purposes, I'd rather err on the side of fun and have it be hard to capture ships rather than easy to do so, and I feel it'd be far too easy with what you've requested here.
I do APPROVE of those Headhunters, although I'd recommend you request 2 starfighters that have ion cannons instead, because I don't think I'm likely to approve of any more than 2 starfighters considering the Arcadia's armament.
Jace Varitek
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| Lim_Hejin | Date: Wednesday, 01 May 13, 3:38 PM | Message # 4 |
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| I can loose the Freefall bombers and the VCX-300. I'd like to replace the Z-95 Headhunters with R-41 Starchasers.
The issue with the Stars of Arcadia is that it doesn't have a hangar; even if it could tractor craft, the most it could hope for is to hold them in place. The purpose of having a freighter is to ferry over a boarding party and a way to transfer loot from ship to ship or ship to market. He can't bring a massive craft into every port. Instead then, I'd like to request as Lim's personal small craft a YV-545 modified to the specifics of the Midnight Star, save that the two laser cannon will be replaced with ion cannons.
Lim Hejin
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| Mike | Date: Sunday, 05 May 13, 12:55 PM | Message # 5 |
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| I'll agree to deny the bombers, which I don't see Lim having as a starting out vessel, though I'm not disinclined to approve them at a later time. I also agree about the point of the VCX-700, which is a very heavily-armed vessel.
I do see your point, however, and agree to Approve of:
- 2x R-41 Starchasers
- 1x Modified YV-545 to the specifications of the Midnight Star with two laser cannons replaced by two ion cannons, which I feel will blunt the lethality of the vessel.
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| Jace_Varitek | Date: Friday, 17 May 13, 9:43 PM | Message # 6 |
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| I vote to DENY the YV-545. Laser cannons or ion cannons, it's too much firepower on top of the Arcadia. I'm fine with the R-41 Starchasers however, instead of the Z-95s.
Jace Varitek
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| Lim_Hejin | Date: Saturday, 18 May 13, 9:33 AM | Message # 7 |
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| Then once again, we're back to the issue of having no way to board craft and transfer cargo, or actually deliver cargo or anything legitimate outside of using the Arcadia. The crew needs a transport that is capable of making long runs and actually defending itself; it's not practical to bring a warship into every port and place in the RP. R-41s are pointless in that regard.
I reiterate that this is one ship and three small craft and it's not likely to increase anytime soon at all; I don't see a need for it.
Lim Hejin
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| Jace_Varitek | Date: Saturday, 18 May 13, 3:09 PM | Message # 8 |
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| If your purpose is to board craft and transfer cargo, an unarmed or even simply a reasonably-armed lighter would suffice. The Katarn-class boarding shuttle has 1 double laser cannon on it. The TIE boarding craft has no weapons, and Njon has an unarmed boarding craft.
Jace Varitek
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| Lim_Hejin | Date: Saturday, 18 May 13, 3:27 PM | Message # 9 |
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| It's a multipurpose ship. It's extra defense when needed as well as a transport and a boarding craft, as well as a personal transport. You gotta think, someone knows Hejin works for/has worked with Njon. He can't bring the Arcadia around some worlds, likely as not, nor everywhere in Hutt Space; he's got competitors and rivals and enemies. There's no point in flying an unarmed transport around the galaxy.
I hate, absolutely hate to make comparisons, but if you consider the Judicial Forces' Durasteel Chancellor, it's five meters shorter yet outguns the Arcadia by fifteen cannons (I didn't include the point-defense cannons as they're not a capital threat, necessarily) as well as carrying 27 small craft. Oh, and it has tractor beams.
Perhaps I'm not quite understanding the aversion, but I did my best to balance out the Arcadia in terms of weaponry. I left tractor beams and ion cannons off of it and I'm only asking for three small craft. I've even gone so far as to reduce the lethality of the freighter by replacing kill weapons with ion cannons. Perhaps you could explain better where you are coming from?
Lim Hejin
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| Jace_Varitek | Date: Sunday, 19 May 13, 7:02 PM | Message # 10 |
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| I must respectfully point out a weakness in your comparison to the Durasteel Chancellor. Setting aside that the comparison is a false one simply insofar as the Arcadia is a pirate ship and not a Republic ship-of-the-line, and thus there shouldn't be any expectation of parity. Setting this aside, you remind us that you've balanced out the Arcadia in terms of leaving off tractor beams and ion cannons; fair enough, but the Arcadia has 4 proton torpedo launchers while the Chancellor has none, and indeed no projectile weapons of any kind. More to the point, the Arcadia has heavy turbolasers whereas the Chancellor has light turbolasers, hence comparing the number of "cannons" is hardly fair. If anything, a credible argument can be made that the Arcadia outguns the Chancellor.
So to distill this into what my main objection is here: the Stars of Arcadia, again, is a pirate ship. Naturally, you don't want other people in the RP to simply destroy your ship for little or no good reason, and considering the recent past, this caution is justified and I understand it. But what you need isn't parity with the handful of really powerful ships in the RP (this, again, isn't a reasonable expectation for a pirate ship, although the Arcadia, in fact, is quite powerful), it's a change in assumptions and tactics. I think a pirate in Hejin's position needs to find ways to make due with limited resources, rather than sleeping soundly with the assumption that he's going to outgun his opponents each and every time. Hejin should lose some sleep over this, his is a pirate's life and it is dangerous.
In terms of simply committing piracy, I maintain that Hejin has what he needs. Though I continue to recommend the addition of an ion cannon or a tractor beam, if not on the Arcadia itself, then perhaps on its accompanying vessel which remains to be determined.
Jace Varitek
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