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Part of Character Background Request
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| Alyn_Stark | Date: Tuesday, 16 April 13, 6:10 PM | Message # 1 |
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| While I'm still working out the ins and outs of how Stark came to be a good contributor and part of the Techno Union, I'd like to request two items.
The first is Kreeling, a planet in the Chommell Sector with no information about it that I intend to expand on.
the second part is for the business, 'Vigilance Defenses Incorporated (VDI for short), which produces small arms, armor, droids, starship components, etc for the past eight years roughly. With a small, but good powerbase, Stark would have sold out more or less to the Techno Union in exchange for a high-up spot in their board and contributing his own technical experience to the Techno Union cause.
VDI's headquarters and primary foundries/facilities would be located on Kreeling.
Kreeling itself would be run by a puppet planetary governor/friend of Stark's, essentially ensuring that Stark would have a small buffer of sorts as the CIS begins building an effort.
Alyn Stark
Lord of House Stark
Governor of Kinyov Province
Owner, Stark Unified Defense (presumed)
Owner, Lorrd Engineering (presumed)
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| Jace_Varitek | Date: Saturday, 20 April 13, 1:07 AM | Message # 2 |
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| I vote to DENY, not in principle, because I think Stark should have his own company, but in practice I think this can and should be done a bit differently. First, and simply, I don't support the "friend of Stark" as governor because I think Stark's corporate endeavor should be kept separate from any sort of governing role, whether his or a friend of his. No disrespect intended, it's just had mixed results in the past and I'd prefer to keep things more clearly separate from each other this time. (I don't think being a Lord of House Malos is a conflict, however, since Lorrd isn't in the RP. Although—and this is just my opinion—it might eventually become hard to explain why Stark is spending so much time away from Lorrd. But I digress).
The main thing is that Jaron and I are agreed Vigilance Defense Systems, Inc. should start, not from scratch, but closer to scratch than this. Yes, it was me who recommended that Stark sell VDS, Inc. to the Techno Union in return for an executive position, but I meant for this to be something to work toward in the RP; to this end, there could be many interesting storylines involving Stark making deals with other characters to build his company, later having to prove his loyalty to the Techno Union, etc. I think it would be bypassing a lot of RP potential to say all of that was already done before the RP began (it also, frankly, wouldn't leave many places left for Stark to go).
It's my opinion that Vigilance Defense Systems, Inc. should have been founded perhaps a year or two before the RP, rather than 8 years, and be essentially a shop with handful of well-qualified technicians and smiths who build and sell products to other characters in the RP. I think that'd be more along the lines of where the rest of the RP is at (to begin with, at least). So that VDS, Inc. can eventually grow to the scale you have in mind, bigger sales to NPC's would be fine eventually—perhaps the Techno Union could help with this?—but I do think it'd be good for the RP to start out small and have a go at selling to non-NPC characters in the RP.
I'll step aside and let Jaron speak his piece. But I do also ask, would you be willing to modify your request along these lines?
Jace Varitek
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| Alyn_Stark | Date: Saturday, 20 April 13, 10:33 AM | Message # 3 |
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| I can modify some things like that. Granted (and I'll be honest), I'll probably be transferring my catalog of weapons over from the old site (I was fond of the pictures), but I can acquiesce to the rest of that. Added (20 April 13, 10:31 AM)
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The reason for the mention of friendship, I should add, was to make certain activities easier. I have no want or need for Stark to run his own planet. It was more of a cover fact. Added (20 April 13, 10:33 AM)
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Also, what are the odds of having Stark as a Black Sun Vigo instead of running his own criminal syndicate?
Alyn Stark
Lord of House Stark
Governor of Kinyov Province
Owner, Stark Unified Defense (presumed)
Owner, Lorrd Engineering (presumed)
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| Jaron | Date: Saturday, 20 April 13, 12:35 PM | Message # 4 |
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| I like the Vigo talk. Just sayin'.
I am with Jace, here, in regards to Vigilance. He has more or less spoken my piece for me, really. In order to maintain a healthy RP environment, the thought here is the Vigilance needs to grow on its own. I would not, however, be adverse to Stark having a full-fledged criminal operation going, as long as it has reasonable background to it; but the company needs to start young and small.
Jaron Park
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| Alyn_Stark | Date: Sunday, 21 April 13, 10:46 AM | Message # 5 |
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| I agree, Jaron. Being a Vigo makes things easier in some regards. Especially if he decides to strike out on his own later, etc. But I'll agree with the VDS angle. Added (21 April 13, 10:00 AM)
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I'm going to rework a bit of this to be more comprehensive and inclusive, but I'd also like to pre-emptive request a shot at that foundry on Sinsang. Added (21 April 13, 10:46 AM)
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Okay, so, better laid out in shorthand.
1) A large manor house on Kreeling for Stark, Ana and their son. Details can be determined in a later request.
2) Existence of VDS and its workshop that produces weapons, droids, armor, etc. technology for defense and military use. Items tend to be more expensive in some cases, leading to not as much widespread use, but enough to start off a decent business with income. This business will be a legitimate business with no criminal ties, aimed at earning Stark a spot with the Techno Union prior to the Clone Wars.
3) The position of Vigo in Black Sun for Stark.
4) A minor (no more than 4-5 armed merchant vessels to be determined at a later time) to act as a shipping/smuggling front for Stark's Black Sun activities.
5) A moderate PMC (name, personnel to be determined at a later time) that provides private security as well as 'hostile takeovers' and extortion at times also as part of Black Sun; in essence, the criminal soldiers belonging to Stark.
6) The purchase of the foundry on Sinsang.
Alyn Stark
Lord of House Stark
Governor of Kinyov Province
Owner, Stark Unified Defense (presumed)
Owner, Lorrd Engineering (presumed)
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| Jace_Varitek | Date: Sunday, 21 April 13, 1:57 PM | Message # 6 |
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| A couple of times in this thread, it's been mentioned that this or that would "make things easier." This, however, is what I'm against. RP, to me, is more about the journey than the destination, hence starting small with VDS, Inc. and building it up over the course of the RP. It may seem like I'm just trying to confound you here, but I do believe that starting small, with many, many goals and hence many paths to reach those goals, will result in a more fun RP for everyone and perhaps even especially for you.
For this reason, Jaron and I agreed it would be best if Stark is a part of Black Sun, but not (yet) a Vigo. Basically, one of the main contenders for the position of Vigo—this would create a powerful impetus for Stark to prove himself to be the ideal candidate (and intense pressure not to screw up). To digress momentarily, it's come to my attention that Malum the Hutt has also requested to be a Vigo of Black Sun, and someone wonderfully suggested to me that Stark and Malum could both be contenders for the same position as Vigo. I think this is, simply, a splendid idea and it's something I'll push for on Malum's request. But in the meantime, and in agreement with Jaron, I vote to DENY Stark as Vigo (for now).
I also vote to DENY the shipping front and the PMC. I just think it's important, this time, to start out with just one company. You can RP it as a legitimate business, or as a front. Or both. But no longer can I support businesses in the RP functioning simply as fronts for the benefit of other characters. I'm drawing a hard line on this right now, but it could just be that we need a break from this sort of thing for awhile. Let's see how this goes, and the possibility of having more companies is a possibility that can remain open for consideration at a later time. That's my view, at least.
I APPROVE of the manor house on Kreeling, the Vigilance Defense Systems workshop (also on Kreeling, right?), and Stark's purchase of the foundry on Sinsang (provided no one else expresses an interest in it after a few days--in which case I would encourage an IC remedy).
Jace Varitek
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| Alyn_Stark | Date: Sunday, 21 April 13, 2:02 PM | Message # 7 |
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| Fair enough. I assume, though, that Stark will at least have some access to underlings and some form of ships for them (some of the Shadowguard will be making the transition over, not all though); otherwise, Malum could conceivably descend on him and wipe him out easily.
Alyn Stark
Lord of House Stark
Governor of Kinyov Province
Owner, Stark Unified Defense (presumed)
Owner, Lorrd Engineering (presumed)
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| Jace_Varitek | Date: Monday, 22 April 13, 1:36 AM | Message # 8 |
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| It would be rather bold of Malum to intrude on Republic space to wipe out a random businessman (as far as the Republic is aware). I maintain that would be crossing the line as far as Black Sun is concerned, too; since both Stark and Malum are presumably members of Black Sun, destroying a Stark foundry would essentially be destroying a Black Sun foundry, and destroying a Malum ship would be destroying a Black Sun ship, etc. Not that they can't "arrange" for such things to happen, of course. But I don't think Black Sun wants them to slaughter each other. Xizor and Kaird competed brutally with each other, for instance, but they still sat around the same table at the end of the day—granted, not looking at each other, but still.
Jace Varitek
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| Mike | Date: Friday, 26 April 13, 2:54 PM | Message # 9 |
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| I agree to Approve of the manor on Kreeling, provided you post a description of it in either the OOC forum and/or the request board. I also Approve of the foundry on Sinsang, seeing as nobody else has commented upon it.
If Stark intends to to have any 'troops' or alternate vessels under his control, please make an alternate request for them so we can close this one up.
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Also good at baking
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| Alyn_Stark | Date: Friday, 26 April 13, 3:40 PM | Message # 10 |
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| That's fine by me. I can make the other requests a little later.
Alyn Stark
Lord of House Stark
Governor of Kinyov Province
Owner, Stark Unified Defense (presumed)
Owner, Lorrd Engineering (presumed)
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