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Anti-Fighter Niche Ships
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| Emir_Kadram | Date: Saturday, 12 April 14, 9:53 AM | Message # 1 |
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| As the Galaxy has become rather more demanding of Anti-fighter Defensive firepower. The Etti-class Lighter has emerged and appeared to fill a certain market segment but also suffers a weakness in that the Etti is largely confined to the Corporate Sector and there is no larger scale production capacity to bring it to the Galactic Market. So Haor Chall is minded to release a smaller variant of it's Surronian Cruiser to act as defensive ships on the Trade Lanes.
The Flare-class Light Frigate 
Class name:
The Flare-class Light Frigate
Designation
Surronian Commerce Defense Frigate
Technical specifications
Length: 200 meters
Width: 200 meters
Maximum acceleration: 2,000 G
Hull Armour: 200 RU
Deflectors: 350 SBD
MGLT: 40 MGLT
Hyperdrive rating: Class 1
Backup: Class 20
Power plant: Hypermatter annihilation reactors (2)
Armament:
2 NK7 Ion Cannon (concealed pop-up turrets dorsal and ventral)
4 (Ventral) Tractor Beam Projector
12 Point-defense Laser cannons
8 Point-defense Ion cannons
Complement: 2 Sprint-class Rescue Craft
Consumables: 6 Months
Minimum crew: 50
Standard Crew: 150
Passengers: 200
Cargo Capacity: 1,000 Tons
Special:
Minesweeper Variant: The ship can be equipped with a Minesweeping variant which removes the Ion Cannons and replaces them with emplacement based precision sensor arrays which allows the targeting and destruction of mines by Electronic countermeasures.
Indefatigable-class Cruiser 
Designation: Line Cruiser
Manufacturer: Hoersch-Kessel Drive
Length: 400 meters
Width: 500 meters
Hull Armour: Dreadnaught-class Equivalent
Deflectors: Dreadnaught-class Equivalent
MGLT: 30 MGLT
Hyperdrive rating: Class 2
Backup: Class 15
Power plant: Hypermatter annihilation reactors (3)
Armament:
5 Quad Turbolaser Turrets (Concealed behind blast doors in the front of the ship acting as gunports. Blast doors dropped to allow this gunnery to fire)
32 Quadlaser Turrets (20 Mounted along "blade" of the ships hull, aside from 6 on the command tower 2 rear facing)
Complement: Can carry 12 fighters if required but not carried as standard.
Consumables: 9 Months
Minimum crew: 500
Standard Crew: 4,000
Passengers: 2,000
Cargo Capacity: 14,000 Tons
"The Blastbarge" Armed Freighter
Modified Vessel is a cooperative work of the Corellian Engineering Corporation and Blastech
Official designation: The Action-Blastech Defensive Barge "Blastbarge"
Purpose: Anti-fighter standoff, better version of the Etti-class.
An Action-class Transport given a military grade generator, allowing improved speed and weapons to be fitted, it also has marginally improved shields.
Armament
+ 1 Twin Turbolaser Turret (dorsal)
+ 10 Laser Cannon Turrets
+ 36 KT-6 Heavy Blaster Cannon Emplacements- Short range for space of only 1.8km maximum but able to unleash an extremely large volume of fire within this. Also ideal for supporting landing craft.
Note: Like the Etti-lighter this isn't a combat ship and so might suffer if it came into the line of battle. CEC is working on a variant of the CR-90 adapted to fill an anti-fighter niche, with this as a stopgap product.
Just some suggestions to players for another useful craft - Might be worth considering this as an anti-fighter vessel for smaller groups?
Discril-class Attack Ship - A Daupherm ship commented in Pirates and Privateers as being a common pirate and privateer vessel.
Consider this On Hold until the 15th to allow management to clear backlog.
Emir Schmuel Kadram
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Message edited by Emir_Kadram - Wednesday, 21 May 14, 1:32 AM |
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| Jace_Varitek | Date: Tuesday, 22 April 14, 8:55 AM | Message # 2 |
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| Bumping this up so I don't bury it as I clear the backlog.
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| Crown_Prince_Ordan | Date: Saturday, 26 April 14, 8:14 AM | Message # 3 |
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| Mike | Date: Tuesday, 06 May 14, 6:35 AM | Message # 4 |
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| So... good concept here-ish, but I have to ask, is it really necessary to have anti-starfighter specific designs when you already have a large number of custom craft? For that matter, are extra craft for anti-starfighter in this period, beyond what already exists (limited numbers of the Etti-class, Discril-class, etc) actually going to help the RP, or is this a flight of fancy request?
In short, do you want to continue with this, or is this something you wish to set aside?
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| Jace_Varitek | Date: Tuesday, 06 May 14, 12:19 PM | Message # 5 |
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| I vote to APPROVE them all. However, I do agree with Mike that, in business parlance, the market is becoming saturated with custom ships. In this particular case I think it'd be more appropriate to just request maybe one of these designs, rather than all three of them. In the near-future I'm probably also going to express skepticism on the need for any additional custom ship designs, though I won't apply that standard to this or anything else that's already been requested. And ultimately, we do need anti-starfighter ships. The Etti-class is Corporate Sector Authority only, and the Discril-class is Dawferim Planet States only (my interpretation is that the Discril-class doesn't see wider use in the galaxy until the Daupherm phase them out, which hasn't yet occurred. It's a pity, because I really do like the Discril-class).
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| Mike | Date: Tuesday, 06 May 14, 6:53 PM | Message # 6 |
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| I hope you won't mind me commenting early on this, Kadram, but with Jace's position of approval, I feel I must make myself clear. Jace, once again, I do apologize but I have to disagree.
The request clearly states that the galaxy needs 'anti-starfighter' vessels. The request itself is for 'anti-starfighter niche ships.' Now, when I consider ship requests, I consider not only the design, but the canon classes in which they compare to (i.e. a cruiser to a cruiser, a frigate to a frigate, etc).
Let's look at the three best examples I have seen of anti-starfighter craft. The Etti, the Tartan and the Lancer. With the exception of the Etti (a good 150 meters smaller), the Lancer and Tartan are similar in size, though the Lancer is better armed with twenty quad laser cannons, yet the Tartan has greater speed. Still, I digress. If anyone wants my stamp of approval of anti-starfighter vessels, I personally will be looking for the following items:
1) There will be no mounting of capital grade weaponry or shielding
2) There will be no onboard compliment of fighters.
3) The craft in question may be allowed a decent amount of speed (to outrun what it can't outgun, and catch up to slower fighters or freighters)
Mind you, this is a brief list, but it stays in spirit of what the premier, accepted anti-starfighter specific vessels of Star Wars are.
That being said, into the request.
Flare-class light frigate
Approve
Approve minesweeper variant as well.
Indefatigable-class Cruiser
If you want this as an anti-starfighter craft, I'm going to deny until you do the following:
1) Drop onboard compliment
2) Drop quad turbolasers and turbolaser cannons
If, instead, you want this as a heavy cruiser:
You outgun a stock Dreadnaught-class heavy cruiser, so if you want the heavy armament, heavy shields and heavy hull, I want to see a massive speed decease. Yes, I see that you have three powerplants. Are you aware, however, that hypermatter annihilation reactors are for traveling through hyperspace and not regular powerplants (at least from what I can tell). Moving on, though.
Quote 6 Quad Turbolaser Turrets (Concealed behind blast doors in the front of the ship acting as gunports. Blast doors dropped to allow this gunnery to fire)
So it's a recessed turret? Does it pop up once the blast doors are down? If not, then it would be more of a sponson and, I assume again here, that it has a maximum firing arc of side to side, as well as up and down. I'll allow the blast doors, under the condition that it takes and extra post to drop them. Two posts if it's a turret that has to pop up and drop blast doors.
Blastbarge Armed Freighter
Drop the buzzer blaster cannons. They seem to be exclusively anti-ground weapons; not weapons that can damage a starfighter.
Make some of these edits and I will have a better chance of approving.
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| Jace_Varitek | Date: Tuesday, 06 May 14, 9:05 PM | Message # 7 |
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| Mike makes a good case, especially on A.) starfighter complements, and B.) the armament on the Indefatigable-class. I'm not exactly sure how I missed all those guns; I might have seen "quad turbolaser" and thought "quad laser." Either way, I'm still okay with the Flare-class. But on the other two I'm going to reserve judgment until I read Kadram's response to the points Mike has raised.
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| Crown_Prince_Ordan | Date: Thursday, 08 May 14, 6:51 PM | Message # 8 |
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| Hypermatter reactors can power anything. Just because the word hyper is in it doesnt mean it means "involved with the hyperdrive"...
But happy to drop it's compliment. And the Turbolaser-Turrets. I think the hangar disguised cover for a number of Quad-Turbolaser Turrets is fun and in character for HKD. As such I'd like to keep them there to give enemy capital ships a surprise. I'll drop the number though by one and have one hidden above the engine behind a blast door, for a similar "Surprise!" effect
Thats 20 TEP total. Pretty minimal for craft of its size.
Going to have do disagree on the Discril there Jace. It's stated to be common in the hands of pirates and privateers and is indeed featured in the sourcebook of that name. I think it's perfectly reasonable the Dawferim may have traded a number in the past or indeed had them captured by their Botor rivals and sold as prizes of war. At an rate, I think small numbers would be available to the right bidders.
His Most Royal and Secular Majesty Henrik III
By the Providence of the Universe, of the Sovereign World of Alderaan, of Avirandel, Delaya, Avishan and Raisa and of His other Realms and Territories, Prince-Regent. Head of the Alderaaan Sector Commonwealth, Defender of Secularism and Steward of the Commenor Run. &c
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Chair of the Senate Judiciary Committee
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| Jamie_the_Hutt | Date: Friday, 09 May 14, 9:47 AM | Message # 9 |
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| The turrets are in en emplacement behind the door at the front. It slides open and closed. Theres no turrets popping out anywhere.
But lets sort this out, so by cascade the Humbarine fleet can also be approved since it's waiting on the Flare-class.
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| Mike | Date: Friday, 09 May 14, 10:02 AM | Message # 10 |
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| Quote Jamie_the_Hutt (  ) The turrets are in en emplacement behind the door at the front. It slides open and closed. Theres no turrets popping out anywhere.
I assume that means they are fixed forward firing, then?
Quote Crown_Prince_Ordan ( ) Hypermatter reactors can power anything. Just because the word hyper is in it doesnt mean it means "involved with the hyperdrive"...
Since I am apparently ignorant here, can you explain to me the difference between an ionization reactor and the hypermatter reactor?
Quote Crown_Prince_Ordan ( ) But happy to drop it's compliment. And the Turbolaser-Turrets. I think the hangar disguised cover for a number of Quad-Turbolaser Turrets is fun and in character for HKD. As such I'd like to keep them there to give enemy capital ships a surprise. I'll drop the number though by one and have one hidden above the engine behind a blast door, for a similar "Surprise!" effect
It helps if you make the edits in the primary request, since that is what I am going off of now days, rather than trying to pour through the various pages.
In regards to Jace's stance on the Discril, it sets a pretty clear time period, relatively speaking, as to when the Discril-class became widely available. I might approve one as a character's personal starship, but not for any widespread fleet use.
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