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| Quintus_Stark | Date: Tuesday, 08 April 14, 8:21 PM | Message # 1 |
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| Following in the traditions of the Core Worlds, and Empress Teta being, if not necessarily the most populous of worlds, but a powerhouse both because of its history, carbonite export and shipyards, a true 'Core World' of the Deep Core, and the Core Worlds being said to be fond of heavy fleets, I'd like to request (on behalf of Empress Teta's Senator D'Marko and because its easier for me to do so), a fleet type we have not yet seen in the RP: a battleship fleet of heavy vessels, backed by fighters and excluding picket-type corvette vessels. Also included in this request are the space stations in the Teta System.
This station is an ancient command center (exclude background station images), built over four hundred years ago that has been has been continually refit to modernization. Today, it acts as a monitoring station for vessels entering and leaving the Empress Teta System, a customs checkpoint for ships wishing to land on Empress Teta itself and as a stationary defense platform, as well as a quick-response platform, should any of the carbonite smelters come under threat.
Length- 4,200 meters (top to bottom)
Shielding- 9,000 SBD
Hull- 4,000 RU
Armament-
- 60x Double turbolaser cannons
- 20x Heavy turbolasers
- 80x Point defense laser cannons
Compliment- 6x Starfighter squadrons
Crew and Passengers- 13,000
Consumables- 3 years
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6x Tetan Carbonite Smelters
There is multiple mention of carbonite smelters in the Empress Teta System, some of which were destroyed. There are likely more now, as well, and with the Carbonite Guild long defunct, they fall under the Tetan monarchy. Naturally, they'd be updated, or new stations built and would be the following.
Length- 936 meters
Shielding- 2,360 SBD
Hull- 800 RU
Armament-
Crew and Passengers- 19
Consumables- 4 months
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The Tetan fleet would consist of the above stations and:
2x Defiance-class dreadnaughts
2x Afflictor-class battlecruisers, purchased from Lorrd recently to replace a pair of much older Invincible-class dreadnaught heavy cruisers
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| Jamie_the_Hutt | Date: Sunday, 13 April 14, 12:02 PM | Message # 2 |
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| On the Space Station: Is the station a battlestation? Why does an orbital space ship have thee years consumables as a custom checkpoint? I'd like to see a lot less guns and them to be clearly arranged as just a number of Turbolasers please.
Smelters
Where would these smelters be located?
Onto the Tetan battleship
Shields?
Any compelling reason we should have these almost twice as strong as an ISD?
What is a triple rail cannon? How does it's firepower compare to say, a standard shipboard turbolaser such as an XX-8 or other general capital ship based one.
General weapon loadout
Quote Quintus_Stark (  ) 4x Triple rail cannon (seen firing here) (two port, two starboard, mounted on rails that allow for ninety-degree coverage from front to rear of ship, but cannot fire upwards or downwards, maximum range of 40,000 km)
20x Dual heavy turbolaser cannons (turreted, 4x dorsal, 4x ventral, 4x port, 4x starboard, 4x fore)
80x Dual medium turbolaser cannons (turreted, 16x fore, 16x aft, 16x port, 16x starboard)
200x Quad laser cannons (turreted, 20x fore, 20x aft, 80x port, 80x starboard)
8x Proton torpedo launchers (4x fore, 4x aft, 12x torpedoes per tube)
I'd like to see ships like this have weaknesses. This "doomship" does lack somewhat in those. It fulfills carrier, battleship and anti-fighter roles perfectly without any letdowns.. Id like to see it be either, a Carrier, a Battleship or Anti-Fighter ship.
200 Quadlasers is way above what I can see myself approving.
Turbolasers I would say need to be much more limited in fire arc if they want me to approve of them in such numbers - lets have them mostly broadside limited.
Proton torp tubes, I'd like to see some cuts to numbers of launchers missiles. Really I don't like a battleship having much aft firepower like this unless there's a compelling reason to give it.
Are there blank spots in it's defenses?
Fighters
The Snubfighters either have to largely go (along with the other ship carrying capacity) on the battleship here, or else it needs to lose a lot of guns.
Perhaps have one configured as a carrier one as a battleship?
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Actually, I'm going to change my position on the Tetan Defiance Battleship. I don't think huge custom warships like this are appropriate for the RP, and frankly I don't want 1800m ships (note the plural) around as a status symbol for Empress Teta.
Honestly, I have no faith these would ever be used as anything but a defensive role; we've never seen any real military aggression from a world you've played and I think ships of this sheer size, scale, speed and complexity are head and shoulders above what we should see in the era..
A single such ship I'd consider (appropriately down-gunned, engined, etc), but really only if there's a demonstrable service to the RP as a whole, like if its to be used and destroyed in some big SL. Frankly, if I saw your worlds making military moves or overtures more I'd be more likely to go for this; but I don't have much faith in these (pretty much immobile) ships having an interesting role in the RP.
As it stands. I vote to Deny the Defiance-class and both units of the class unless I see some really compelling evidence to make me change my mind. Please scale down the ambition on this one, Empress Teta isn't Kuat, Humbarine, Corellia etc. It makes carbonite.
I vote to approve 1 Afflictor-class and several smaller ships. Or would approve both as the entire Tetan fleet.
If you can provide a compelling reason why an Outer Rim craft, untested etc, would be picked over something from Corellia, Kuat, Hoersh-Kessel Drive, etc etc. You talk about Empress Teta being a prestige world, yet whys it buying third rate merchandise? I mean goodness, have we even seen a LE ship in battle yet?
Smelters I vote to approve but with 12 Laser Cannons not 24.
The Command Center I will approve but with 1/2 the weapons and 1/2 the fighter compliment.
Jamulon Desilijic Tiure
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| Quintus_Stark | Date: Monday, 14 April 14, 3:38 PM | Message # 3 |
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| I'll go with the station first.
Tetan Station
Why can't a station be self sufficient and have three years worth of consumables, especially vac-sealed rations (which take up little space)? I don't see how that has a definitive bearing. However, from a militaristic standpoint, even if a force managed to bypass the station completely and somehow take the world, they'd have to worry about the station in orbit, presumably until they destroyed it or assaulted it. Point being, one can never be too well supplied, as the Rangers from the Blackhawk Down incident learned, sadly to their detriment.
If I'm going to drop to 20x turbolaser batteries and 15x heavy turbolaser cannons AND drop to three starfighter squadrons, I'd like to compensate by adding 60x quad laser emplacements to cover the deficiencies in the station's defense. This is a massive station, intended for defense of a Deep Core world. A wealthy world at that. In the event their fleet is out of the immediate area, the battle station should suffice to provide cover, but not be too much of a pushover, should attackers come.
Smelters
Being updated, what's the issue with increased amount of cannons? How about 18, though?
Ships
I will shelve the Defiance-class for now, with the understanding that I fully intend to come back to it later.
Instead, I would like a Procurator-class as the current flagship, with two Afflictor-class battleships as support.
The point of a battleship fleet was to keep it no more than four large vessels and fighters. Having smaller ships rather negates that aspect. As for Empress Teta making carbonite, it is a major supplier of carbonite for the galaxy; among the top three.
That being said, I don't think buying from Lorrd Engineering should be an issue. You equip practically all your forces with supplements you created. I should be allowed to do the same if I wish. If a reason suffices, though, it can be that Quintus influenced the king. He has his own aims and ends regarding Lorrd and House Stark, which, by and large, don't actually concern you either as a manager or a player yet.
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| Jamie_the_Hutt | Date: Monday, 14 April 14, 4:31 PM | Message # 4 |
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A station could be self sufficient for years. Just seems superfluous unless its a Hab-station not just for defense.
Tbh you don't have to downgun it so far if you dont want. But its your call. Just make sure theyre widely spread across the hull to ensure max coverage. I'f propose say circa 60 Turboalser Cannons, 20 Heavy Turbolaser Cannon and 80 Point Defense Laser Cannons (much more useful than less quadlasers as you can have them distributed then to reduce blind spots...
Jace I think has a problem with the Aesthetic of the Station. So wont vote to approve or deny until he gets there. I believe it's still looking too antiquated.
Smelters
I'd be fine for you to keep the smelters at either 12 or 18 Laser Cannons each. However, if you consider 12 Laser Cannons rather than 18 I would propose having a System Patrol force of say approve 6 IPV-1 Patrol Craft - they really seem suited to tending your smelters.
That would be a good logical and responsive way to counter threats to them, better than any Laser Turets.
Let me know your preference.
Procurator-class? Of course I'll approve. I'll even approvethe decently armed "Interdictor/Commerce Raider Variant" version I proposed - Since the route to Empress Teta is heavily interdicted this could be the reason for the lack of crime in the Deep Core coming from outside. It's still much more under gunned than a 2.5km ship ought to be in all truth, but it at least has a little more useful armament. Something we missed on the original though (and I'd like corrected here)
I dont think the Procurator should be topping 30 MGLT, maybe on all ahead full with no ability to turn while at this speed? With combat speed being 15 MGLT standard unless chasing down other craft.. Its just too fast when most capital ships cant top 20 in this era. Yes you could probably put enough engines on a ship this big to make such a high speed, but turning at speed would be a massive strain on a fairly thin hull.
Even Jace has since admitted to have been thinking too non-combat that night and having created a bit of a farcical ship. There are Cruisers in the RP which could destroy the variant Emperor Harcourt has, perhaps known as the "Demilitarized Procurator-class" in future.
I do equip my forces with stuff I've created a lot of the time, but thats because they're the main shipyards within the game and so its logical to purchase from them. Kuat and the other big ship names are well known, and so presumably are their control systems and also there's a degree of part compatibility between them allowing component mothballing...
I'm in favour of approving at least 1 Afflictor-class though if you really want it - perhaps the family is part Lorrdian or something but theyre a yard whos ships havent seen battle and have real "unique selling point". Also you are aware to ship a ship of that size to Empress Teta under it's own power (at class 5) could well take up to 20 days? If you fitted it with hyperspace tugs probably in around a eeek but this is expensive etc.
Now I am going to ask you a question. You remember the Duro Castigation?
There's a lot of good Escort-type craft I've got on the RHE books if you needed inspiration but theres also the canon. I'd permit 2 Light Cruisers no longer than say 350m and upto half a dozen corvettes to tend these craft.
If you sincerely wish to avoid a recurrence on a fleet like this you really really need Escorts in the form of Corvettes or Light Cruisers. Maybe you'd consider a few of these instead of throwing all your eggs in these few baskets?
Jamulon Desilijic Tiure
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| Quintus_Stark | Date: Wednesday, 23 April 14, 5:59 PM | Message # 5 |
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How about 60x double turbolasers, 20 heavy turbolasers and the 80 point defense laser cannons? It is a very large station and even with those armaments, it's impossible to put everything 'just so' if you get my meaning.
Smelters
It's a reasonable proposal. I'll go with 12x laser cannons and 6x IPV-1 patrol craft.
Fleet
I think any vote on the Procurator-class may have to wait, pending a final version and Jace has proposed revisiting that design.
However, I don't want to count it out, so until the Procurator can see a finalized version, can we go with 2x Afflictor-class (with one to be sold off when the Procurator is finally decided on), and then, of possible, in place of 2 light cruisers, 3x Modified CR90s (Corellian Buccaneer upgrade) and 4x CR70s.
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| Jamie_the_Hutt | Date: Thursday, 24 April 14, 1:50 AM | Message # 6 |
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| "The Corellian Buccaneer was a corvette manufactured by Corellian Engineering Corporation around the founding of the New Republic."
While I hate to quote Wookieepedia, I cant get that source it's in so unless there's an early source I'll have to vote to decline this design existing yet but would be fine with regular line CR-90s. And since the Afflicator-class still is awaiting Jace's approval (as is the procurator awaiting hashing out) I suggest a pair of different approved vessels, possibly on loan, to allow you a fleet.
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| Quintus_Stark | Date: Sunday, 27 April 14, 9:08 AM | Message # 7 |
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| Alrighty.
Nix the Buccaneer idea.
Now that the Afflictor-class request is up and running, the following fleet compromises:
2x Afflictor-class (1x to be sold, scrapped, etc, essentially removed from the Tetan fleet once the Procurator arrives)
48x Starfighters per afflictor)
2x Carrack-class light cruiser (Anti-starfighter configured)
- 5x Cutlass-9 fighters per Carrack
4x Marauder-class corvette
- 12x Cutlass-9 fighters per Marauder
2x CR70 Corvette
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| Jamie_the_Hutt | Date: Sunday, 27 April 14, 1:15 PM | Message # 8 |
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| I'd like to hear Jace's view on the Afflictor-class, just designed, never combat tested ship from a company which hasn't ever built a capital ship that has seen combat before, being bought by Empress Teta. Seems strange. Are they on 50% off sale or something?
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| Quintus_Stark | Date: Sunday, 27 April 14, 3:43 PM | Message # 9 |
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| To be diverse and fair, until the Procurator is finished, I'd like the 'replaceable' ship to be:
1x Rancor-class destroyer, with full compliment of:
24x Falcon-class Fighters
6x Shell-class Gunships
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| Jamie_the_Hutt | Date: Sunday, 27 April 14, 4:42 PM | Message # 10 |
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| I approvethe following fleet,pending a plausible IC explanation of why the Lantilles ship and the Afflictor-class were chosen over more conventional designs, feel free to just do a couple of sentences on each. I just need the concept not how they got there.. I know there's a frustration you feel with the slowness of canonical ships of the period in the capital classes, but thats just how things were in the period.
If it was corruption this is fine and I am happy for whoever was bribed to get away with it, but it's a very hetrogenous bizarre set of ships for a world trying to be taken seriously as a military power (Specifically use of the Lorrd and Lantilles ships, but also the Maurauder-class Corvette which is hardly a common sight in the core)
1 Procurator-class Star Battlecruiser (To be produced over the next three months at Kuat, with whatever stats are hashed out for it, if it's new, if it's a second hand one the Kuati are mothballing then it would be ready 1 month after the request is approved)
1x Afflictor-class Starship (To be produced over the next month at Kol Huro, completed one month after approval)
- 48x Cutlass-9 Starfighters (may naturally be detached to independent operations.
1x Rancor-class destroyer (to be replaced when the Procurator is ready, pending the approval of Lantilles, leased? Rented?)
- 24x Falcon-class Fighters
- 6x Shell-class Gunships
2x Carrack-class light cruiser (Anti-starfighter configured)
(As far as I am concerned the Carrack has only ever been seen carrying TIES so no compliment for these bad boys)
2x Marauder-class corvette
- 12x Cutlass-9 fighters per Marauder
2x CR70 Corvette
Jamulon Desilijic Tiure
known as "Jamie the Hutt"
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