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The Kanz Sector Request
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| Alyn_Stark | Date: Tuesday, 11 March 14, 8:55 PM | Message # 1 |
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| Lorrd and Kol Huro System Defensive Fleet and Emplacements-
Lorrd (Stationary)-
Kol Huro System (Stationary)-
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Lorrd (Fleet)-
- Flagship- 1x Affliction-class battlecruiser
- 36x Mark V superiority fighter
- 12x Eradication-class bomber
- 1x Herald-class communications corvette
- 2x PB-950 Patrol Boat
- 2x Gozanti cruiser
- 6x Tri-MarK VII Interceptor (based off of the trade station)
- 48x Cutlass-9 Patrol Fighter (one squadron based off of trade station, two squadrons based out of Lorrd City, one squadron based out of Qatamer)
- 2x TL-1200 Transport (representing a fraction of House Garth's mining transport fleet, which is for the intents of the roleplay, unavailable. However, there is often a transport or two around Lorrd to shuttle sector-local items to different worlds. While most of House Garth's ships are unarmed or lightly armed, they are often crewed by men who serve in House Garth's personal army)
- 1x ILH-KK Citadel-class civilian cruiser (Tommen Garth's personal vessel, usually kept at his private landing pad on Lorrd)
- 2x Maka-Eekai L4000 transports (representing a portion of House Volmen's shipping fleet. House Volmen is more of a trader house and as such, values shipping space and ships over fighting vessels. However, House Garth's personal army is aptly trained, if not as capable as some directly war-oriented armed forces)
- 1x Starwind-class yacht (Jerrod Volmen's personal vessel, usually kept at his private landing pad on Lorrd)
Kol Huro System (Fleet)-
3x CR70 corvette
4x TriMark VII
- 36x Cutlass-9 patrol fighters (stationed on the FireStar)
- 8x MorningStar-B (no warheads) (stationed on the FireStar)
- 12x MorningStar-C fighters OR 6x TL-118 StarHammers (anti-capitol ship purpose) (to be stationed on FireStar)
- 72x Toscan 8-Q fighters (no concussion missiles) (stationed on FireStar)
Alyn Stark
Lord of House Stark
Governor of Kinyov Province
Owner, Stark Unified Defense (presumed)
Owner, Lorrd Engineering (presumed)
Message edited by Alyn_Stark - Sunday, 27 April 14, 9:27 AM |
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| Jamie_the_Hutt | Date: Saturday, 22 March 14, 5:16 AM | Message # 2 |
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| Lorrdian hegemony DENIED.
As an alternative: APPROVE Lorrdian friendship with its proximate worlds, including trade and friendship agreements but none are protectorates or allied to Lorrd. Lorrdian houses may have companies or assets in sector worlds though.
Lorrd Stationary APPROVE the static defenses. Note the Trade station isn't designed for battle and so will be weaker in battle than a purpose made station.
1x Repair Yard
1x Trade Station
15x Quad laser cannons
5x Turbolasers
4x Gun Emplacement
Kol Huro System (Stationary)- APPROVE the following
1x FireStar-class defense station (stationed at Kol Huro II, approved but without missile compliment)
28x Gun Emplacement (four per world) each gun emplacement would have a dozen sleeper mines placed around them making it difficult to engage them at close range.
DENY the following... Kol Huro isn't a fortress system
12x Armored Defense Platform (two stationed at every Kol Huro world except Kol Huro II) - this isn't a fortress system. Sorry. Maybe a few Light Duty Defence Platforms..
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Lorrd (Fleet) APPROVE the following
1x Herald-class communications corvette
House Stark may have one custom ship of the larger class or two of the smaller. The full force is too big.
2x PB-950 Patrol Boat
2x Gozanti cruiser
4x Tri-MarK VII Interceptor (based off of the trade station)
24x Cutlass-9 Patrol Fighter (one squadron based off of trade station, one planet side)
2x TL-1200 Transport (representing a fraction of House Garth's mining transport fleet, which is for the intents of the roleplay, unavailable. However, there is often a transport or two around Lorrd to shuttle sector-local items to different worlds. While most of House Garth's ships are unarmed or lightly armed, they are often crewed by men who serve in House Garth's personal army)
1x ILH-KK Citadel-class civilian cruiser (Tommen Garth's personal vessel, usually kept at his private landing pad on Lorrd)
2x Modified Maka-Eekai L4000 transports (representing a portion of House Volmen's shipping fleet. House Volmen is more of a trader house and as such, values shipping space and ships over fighting vessels. However, House Garth's personal army is aptly trained, if not as capable as some directly war-oriented armed forces)
1x Starwind-class yacht (Jerrod Volmen's personal vessel, usually kept at his private landing pad on Lorrd)
DENY the following
Flagship- Harrower-class and compliment. In exchange willing to permit a Dreadnaught-class Heavy cruiser. Out of period by a long way.
The full quota of Iron Guard ships listed here, to include their personal compliments. (Acting as House Stark's vessels)
Kol Huro System (Fleet)- APPROVE as listed below
24x Cutlass-9 patrol fighters (stationed on the FireStar)
4x PB-950 Patrol boats
4x Gozanti Cruiser
6x Toscan 8-Q Starfighter with concussion missile addition (Each planet in the Kol Huro System has a unit of fighters kept for 'quick response' threat deterrent.) These are not hyperspace capable and are limited to defending their own world.
DENY the following
12x Defender-class light corvette Denied under any circumstances under the precedent established by the multiple rulings on the hammerhead class. Please reconsider to something more period.
Jamulon Desilijic Tiure
known as "Jamie the Hutt"
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Bey of the Cygnus Star Empire
Nephew to Jabba the Hutt
Associate Member of the Hutt Cartel
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| Jace_Varitek | Date: Sunday, 23 March 14, 10:36 PM | Message # 3 |
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| I also vote to DENY the Harrower-class and its compliment. The Harrower is just too far out of date, as are the TIE analogs—additionally, though I understand that it's canon, I really don't agree with The Old Republic using TIE fighter imagery (and Clone Trooper imagery) in that era, so I might be prejudicial for that reason too. But moreover, I'd also prefer to avoid any custom designs because, just, there's a lot of custom designs now, and these don't seem necessary.
That was the main comment that I had. Here's everything that I APPROVE of:
(Lorrd):
■ 1 Herald-class communications corvette
■ 2 PB-950 Patrol Boats
■ 2 Gozanti cruisers
■ 24 Cutlass-9 Patrol Fighters (one squadron based off of trade station, one planet side)
■ 1 ILH-KK Citadel-class civilian cruiser (Tommen Garth's personal vessel, usually kept at his private landing pad on Lorrd)
■ 1 Starwind-class yacht (Jerrod Volmen's personal vessel, usually kept at his private landing pad on Lorrd)
■ 2 Modified Maka-Eekai L4000 transports (but modified how? The Uhumele is actually more lightly-armed than the stock version)
■ 1 Repair Yard
■ 1 Trade Station (15 Quad laser cannons, 5 Turbolasers)
■ 4 Gun Emplacement
(Kol Huro):
■ 24 Cutlass-9 patrol fighters (stationed on the FireStar)
■ 4 PB-950 Patrol boats
■ 1 FireStar-class defense station (stationed at Kol Huro II w/missile stores removed)
■ 28 Gun Emplacement (four per world)
And I vote to DENY the following:
■ Ereesus as a Lorrdian protectorate (for the time being)
■ 12 Armored Defense Platform (maybe some of these if and only if the Firestar is dropped)
■ Anything Iron Guard-related for the time being
■ 12 Tri-MarK VII Interceptor
■ 2 TL-1200 Transport
■ 12 Defender-class light corvette (too far out of date, I'm afraid)
■ 84 Toscan 8-Q Starfighter (either cut the number or the concussion missile capability, then we can talk about these)
I'd like to handle Amaltanna like this: an agreement is in place for Lorrd to represent Amaltanna in the Senate starting in 3 months (OOC as well as IC), provided nothing occurs in the RP during that 3-month period that would cause the Amaltannans to withdraw from the agreement (by management's discretion).
Finally, I don't know whether or not I'll approve of a Dreadnaught as a substitute to the Harrower-class. I'm open to being persuaded, if a Dreadnaught is what you want. You'll no doubt want something to replace the Harrower.
Jace Varitek
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| Alyn_Stark | Date: Sunday, 23 March 14, 11:12 PM | Message # 4 |
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| Well, it seems I will need to wait until the Iron Guard vessel list is dealt with fully to go further into this. However, there are a few things I can at least offer. Some of this also deals with the passage in this post which cites that planets with their own senatorial representation were often allotted additional military budgeting.
Amaltanna- I agree with Jace's stipulation.
Ereesus- Rather than a protectorate, perhaps Ereesus and Lorrd can have a very good working agreement in terms of trade and mutual defense. Lorrd does not represent Ereesus, but one or the other can call upon each other in time of need for assistance (not restricted to military).
In regards to the Harrower and its compliment of B28 bombers and Mark VI fighters, it's not so much the actual ships I want, as it is the images. I don't like either the Invincible-class dreadnaught cruiser or the actual Dreadnaught heavy cruiser. Some people like them. Some don't. So if the actual ships are too old, I'd still like to resubmit the idea of ship with its compliment as personalized Lorrd Engineering vessels built within the last hundred years as 'showcase models' that never took (I can always rename them). I can empathize with the issue of custom vessels but with the exception of two custom designs, most of those submitted belong to Jamie (to be fair, Zahzi and Tu'Rot had a few, and I believe there was a clarification for the Procurator). Now, I'm not slamming on Jamie here, but it doesn't seem quite fair for him to 'hog the custom ships ability,' so to speak. I'm not suggesting a production run of any of the customized vessels I'm asking for. It is, as I mentioned, a want of the images (also my reason for requesting the Defender-class corvette). So until this issue is resolved, there's a lot tied up here, since I can't go one way or the other on the actual Lorrdian portion of the fleet. Hopefully we can hammer out the Kol Huro section easier.
Now, for the Kol Huro portion.
The FireStar (with missiles removed) sits at Kol Huro II because that is the largest and most important yard and, rightly so, should be the most protected. However, the other worlds also contain important plants; one has a smaller shipyard located at it as well. While four gun emplacements per world is nice, it's not nearly enough to even hold off an attack by a corvette or even a freighter or two armed with any warheads. I'd immediately be willing to halve the number of armored defense platforms to 6, at one per world and 2 gun emplacements for a total of 14.
For the record, I am good with the stations at Lorrd.
Alyn Stark
Lord of House Stark
Governor of Kinyov Province
Owner, Stark Unified Defense (presumed)
Owner, Lorrd Engineering (presumed)
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| Jace_Varitek | Date: Monday, 24 March 14, 1:08 PM | Message # 5 |
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| I agree that 6 of those armored defense platforms would make a lot of sense. But it's not going to happen in addition to the Firestar-class. Let's imagine you have a "platform request budget." The Firestar-class fills up about 99% of that budget. The 4 gun emplacements at each Kol Huro world are the remaining 1%. If it were me, I'd either lose the Firestar-class and make up for it with armored defense platforms, or double down on the Firestar, using it as a base for starfighter defense for the whole system. But that's just me.
With respect to the Harrower-class and the ancient TIE analogs, I can appreciate that you want to use the images. But as I remarked, the imagery is evocative of a time period that is not the time period in which the RP takes place. The anachronistic images alone are reason enough for me to deny them. The fact they're also thousands of years old is another good reason. And as far as re-creating ancient ships is concerned, this is a well-trodden path; there is simply no good IC reason to re-create an ancient ship. I understand your OOC reason, but IC? No, there's just no justification for it. By now we've used up all the somewhat reasonable explanations (it's to use in re-enactments, it's a museum ship, etc.). No mas, por favor.
(Mind you, I'm not discouraging custom designs. My problem was, yes, there are a lot of custom designs now, but you're requesting custom designs that aren't necessary. These ancient designs wouldn't really be contributing anything to the RP—by your admission, they're a vanity project and only Lorrd would use them. Whereas the other custom designs in the RP so far at least provide more options for RPers to choose from in an era that doesn't have a lot of options as far as capital ships are concerned).
I'm good with Lorrd having a close working relationship with Ereesus. There are Lorrdians in its planetary defense force, after all. I'm also open to Ereesus becoming a protectorate of Lorrd at some point (I was careful to say "for the time being").
So the request is waiting on a substitution for the Harrower-class, which is waiting on a resolution of the Iron Guard request. So I'll do that one next.
Jace Varitek
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| Alyn_Stark | Date: Monday, 24 March 14, 7:21 PM | Message # 6 |
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| Fair enough. I will find new images for the 'old' vessels and resubmit.
So we can at least wrap up Kol Huro, I'll take the FireStar and drop all other platforms, and I offer the following fighter compliment.
24x Cutlass-9
12x TriMark VII
48x MorningStar-B (no warheads)
4x PB-950
12x MorningStar-C fighters OR 6x TL-118 StarHammers (anti-capitol ship purpose)
72x Koros Spaceworks Interceptor w/shields.
6x Light corvette of design to be determined from either canon or custom-built, to replace the Defender-class. However, I will say that I'm probably going to reuse the Defender's image, if that's acceptable. It's hard to find a good, small, pocket corvette that's perfect for system patrol and anti-starfighter and missile interdiction use that doesn't look like a small box of shit.
Alyn Stark
Lord of House Stark
Governor of Kinyov Province
Owner, Stark Unified Defense (presumed)
Owner, Lorrd Engineering (presumed)
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| Jamie_the_Hutt | Date: Friday, 04 April 14, 6:47 AM | Message # 7 |
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| I'd like to vote for Jace's numbers on this issue. I worry I may be seen as biased and so it's right he makes the final call.
Jamulon Desilijic Tiure
known as "Jamie the Hutt"
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Bey of the Cygnus Star Empire
Nephew to Jabba the Hutt
Associate Member of the Hutt Cartel
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| Alyn_Stark | Date: Saturday, 05 April 14, 4:15 PM | Message # 8 |
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| Just need Jace, then?
Alyn Stark
Lord of House Stark
Governor of Kinyov Province
Owner, Stark Unified Defense (presumed)
Owner, Lorrd Engineering (presumed)
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| Jamie_the_Hutt | Date: Monday, 14 April 14, 4:02 AM | Message # 9 |
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| Since Jace hasn't been really up to posting on this one. Provisionally, consider the numbers listed as having his approval to be approved and if you wish to adjust the Lorrdian Fleet at a later date you can request to do so. In the meantime, at least you've a fleet and we can revisit the issue once the current logjam is cleared if you wish to do so.
Consider the following to be Approved.
Quote Jace_Varitek (  ) That was the main comment that I had. Here's everything that I APPROVE of:
(Lorrd):
■ 1 Herald-class communications corvette
■ 2 PB-950 Patrol Boats
■ 2 Gozanti cruisers
■ 24 Cutlass-9 Patrol Fighters (one squadron based off of trade station, one planet side)
■ 1 ILH-KK Citadel-class civilian cruiser (Tommen Garth's personal vessel, usually kept at his private landing pad on Lorrd)
■ 1 Starwind-class yacht (Jerrod Volmen's personal vessel, usually kept at his private landing pad on Lorrd)
■ 2 Modified Maka-Eekai L4000 transports (but modified how? The Uhumele is actually more lightly-armed than the stock version)
■ 1 Repair Yard
■ 1 Trade Station (15 Quad laser cannons, 5 Turbolasers)
■ 4 Gun Emplacement
(Kol Huro):
■ 24 Cutlass-9 patrol fighters (stationed on the FireStar)
■ 4 PB-950 Patrol boats
■ 1 FireStar-class defense station (stationed at Kol Huro II w/missile stores removed)
■ 28 Gun Emplacement (four per world)
Jamulon Desilijic Tiure
known as "Jamie the Hutt"
_____________________
Bey of the Cygnus Star Empire
Nephew to Jabba the Hutt
Associate Member of the Hutt Cartel
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| Alyn_Stark | Date: Monday, 14 April 14, 8:48 AM | Message # 10 |
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| Any chance we can take this into account, since changes have been made and it really is an important part?
Alyn Stark
Lord of House Stark
Governor of Kinyov Province
Owner, Stark Unified Defense (presumed)
Owner, Lorrd Engineering (presumed)
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