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The Kanz Sector Request
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| Jamie_the_Hutt | Date: Monday, 14 April 14, 9:04 AM | Message # 11 |
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| Sorry. I think we need to clear the decks then go back over and sort out detail. I'm sure we can sort something out in due time but I am keen to get a fleet in play.
Jamulon Desilijic Tiure
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| Alyn_Stark | Date: Monday, 14 April 14, 9:18 AM | Message # 12 |
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| In that case, I'd like this to be put on hold until we resolve the other request.
Alyn Stark
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Governor of Kinyov Province
Owner, Stark Unified Defense (presumed)
Owner, Lorrd Engineering (presumed)
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| Jamie_the_Hutt | Date: Wednesday, 16 April 14, 5:37 PM | Message # 13 |
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| I agree with Jace very firmly that the new ship will require a fresh thread. Also holding things up by keeping this thread open prevents us doing that.. so you kinda are trapping yourself in catch 22.
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I'd just like to add that I deny the Amaltanna portion of the Request, essentially I don't think Amaltanna would give over any representative power to another world without having a motivation to do so, especially as Lorrd is a world who's so recently had much of it's government convicted of high crimes of ineptitude.
I believe that Ereesus is a Republic Member, and by the Clone Wars clearly had a military; I don't think that they'd consider becoming Lorrd's protectorate and opening themselves up to being drawn into (as you note a very militant) Lorrd's possible wars and foreign policy. Ereesus is essentially "Ord Wales" from the names of Ereesus Defense Force Officers. Amusement, mm. I think that the attempted genocide against them during the Kanz Disorders would've left Ereesus pretty jaded at the idea of the Republic actually being much good at all (so perhaps don't use their seat), but certainly as they were Slavers who raided across the Sector (including Lorrd) I think they might have a slightly uncomfortable relationship with the rest of the Sector. For the above reasons I vote to deny them being a Lorrdian Protectorate and instead being pretty isolationist and having a vision of themselves as exceptionally hardy and tough. I think they'd probably be the most likely base for slavers in the region too, clearly having a cultural acceptance of Slaving they may well not have modernized as Argazda did. This provides the Sector with a "Criminal center"
Jamulon Desilijic Tiure
known as "Jamie the Hutt"
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Bey of the Cygnus Star Empire
Nephew to Jabba the Hutt
Associate Member of the Hutt Cartel
Message edited by Jamie_the_Hutt - Wednesday, 16 April 14, 5:41 PM |
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| Alyn_Stark | Date: Wednesday, 16 April 14, 7:43 PM | Message # 14 |
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| Being a two-way tie between your denial of Amaltanna and Jace's approval, if in a different manner, it will require Jace on that particular instance, as an administrator to bring a close to it. So, that matter can be dealt with in another request.
Also a point, three people were convicted (one pardoned). That does not make an entire government. Bill Clinton was nearly impeached for his small issue, but it didn't make all the people doubt the American government. David Petraeus was caught out for adultery, but it didn't make people question his policies, his running of the CIA or his military service.
Also, Ereesus' slavers were wiped out by the Argazdans over three thousand years ago, so that's a moot point, trying to make it a 'criminal area' of the sector.
With all due respect, I don't believe you can actually 'make the call' as to whether or not certain planets in the Kanz Sector feel a certain way or act a certain way any more than I can make a world in your sector a 'criminal world' or a world of the Cygnus Empire 'loyal to a different Hutt.' Aside from certain rules being in place, it's also very bad form to try and use the management position in such a manner, I feel, especially when the feelings of the world(s) in question aren't being called into play, necessarily, but instead, the existence of an alliance. As such, I'll shelve the alliance parts for now, though, to make it simpler.
Alyn Stark
Lord of House Stark
Governor of Kinyov Province
Owner, Stark Unified Defense (presumed)
Owner, Lorrd Engineering (presumed)
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| Jamie_the_Hutt | Date: Wednesday, 16 April 14, 8:20 PM | Message # 15 |
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| I think you're confusing where I make suggestions to develop worlds that have little to no background and where I rule on it. And I do think its the correct place to rule on how people might feel upon matters, although I should've made clear that since nobody yet roleplays as the Ereesus Government or NPCs it how I felt the "flavour" of the sources was, it's my interpretation of how the culture would have reacted to the canon events, I only based the attitude on the personality of the Ereesus Defense Force that we see who come off as "rogueish" in a slightly Han Solo way in the source for the Ereesus defense force. So I should be clear that the denial is the only point that you needed to view as "official" as well as factual statements made about their representation etc.
Anyway it all matters little on Ereesus as since it has its own Planetary Defense Force (which employs people from Lorrd, fine), so I don't think they would need to become a Protectorate of Lorrd (which usually involves giving up your sovereignty) since they seem to run themselves in the source we have during the Clone Wars.
I didn't you realize you regarded the entire Kanz Sector as Quote Alyn_Stark (  ) your sector
I thought since you've never actually RPed involving the other worlds it wasn't exactly something you thought of OOC as "yours", now I know.. Which clearly has bearing on things from a notional stand point at least. I realize some people very much dislike it if people "play in their backyard" and so it's good to know what people mentally designate as such in the RP, mostly I'm more of a yard party type with things I do but thats just me.
I didn't intend to dictate to you the manner in which you place your garden chairs! So sorry if it came off like I did.
I am a creative person who enjoys filling in details and expanding upon the data of the canon to give a world a personality. But you must understand that (for example) you don't really RP any events around Kol Huro and the level of detail about the worlds there is hugely minimal - so when I make suggestions for worlds its just based on the fact that you often leave a lot of details out which makes the RP seem a little "low definition", if that makes sense.
On Amaltanna, I still strongly feel that with Lorrd the way it is, varying from the negligent government (just going with how the Court called it), unequal aristocratic system which is poorly led by the signs of current events, unethical arms dealings, a potential future bond of their major company with the even more unethical Czerka on the table, Senator Lekpin's own slightly dodgy status with his transparent attempts to bribe the Republic with a cut in order to give him bota rights, the question of Lorrd possibly coming to blows with a Hutt ally over bota etc just make it seem like Lorrd is too scandal riven and too involved in "entangling foreign policy" for any form of representative union to be popular.
Maybe if there were an Amaltannan character played by you or a friend you could have them flesh out the world, the connection culturally with Lorrd and thus establish whatever background for the world you like.. It's things like this which incline me to grant approval because it says "Interested in building up a detailed world that can be a valuable setting for RP." instead of just being a feather in Lekpin's cap, because I think planets deserve not to be treated in such a way within the game.
Jamulon Desilijic Tiure
known as "Jamie the Hutt"
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Bey of the Cygnus Star Empire
Nephew to Jabba the Hutt
Associate Member of the Hutt Cartel
Message edited by Jamie_the_Hutt - Wednesday, 16 April 14, 8:35 PM |
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| Alyn_Stark | Date: Sunday, 27 April 14, 9:29 AM | Message # 16 |
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| Gentlemen, I have been quite patient with this, and certain numbers have been changed.
In fact, a good chunk of the request was deleted and better organized into what is now the primary request.
Can we give it a shot?
Alyn Stark
Lord of House Stark
Governor of Kinyov Province
Owner, Stark Unified Defense (presumed)
Owner, Lorrd Engineering (presumed)
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| Jamie_the_Hutt | Date: Sunday, 27 April 14, 12:49 PM | Message # 17 |
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| Well as you say you've dropped the diplomacy and protectorate bits so theyre all cleared off now.
I still vote no on the Afflicator-class until the Lorrd Navy is active and plays a part in RP to justify such a big ship. To make a request for an upgrade, not just rehash the request.
One to wait for Jace on, but as he asserted he wanted this dealt with first -then- an Affliction requested.
It's always going to be no on Morningstar-Cs, I think both Jace and I agree its best to just keep the line out of RP.
I'm not a fan of this and so I vote to approveeither Jace's proposed numbers (then you can make a separate request for the huge battleship) or vote to deny outright the request with the new numbers.
We spent time hashing out reasonable numbers and asked you waited for this request to clear before making another (or in this case totally changing it).
I'd like Jace's input too here please. You've totally changed the fleet being requested and we now (if we even are to consider it) need to go back and balance it against what we were prepared to approve before.
Jamulon Desilijic Tiure
known as "Jamie the Hutt"
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Bey of the Cygnus Star Empire
Nephew to Jabba the Hutt
Associate Member of the Hutt Cartel
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| Alyn_Stark | Date: Sunday, 27 April 14, 12:56 PM | Message # 18 |
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| Since this request has become jumbled and confused, I'm requesting management close it out.
I will make a new request, with more concise numbers.
Alyn Stark
Lord of House Stark
Governor of Kinyov Province
Owner, Stark Unified Defense (presumed)
Owner, Lorrd Engineering (presumed)
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