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Lorrd Planetary Defense Force
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| Alyn_Stark | Date: Saturday, 30 November 13, 2:02 PM | Message # 1 |
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| Stationary Items and Emplacements
1x Repair Yard (NOTE- I was unable to find a comparable repair yard for our time period, so I would request that the 'Repair Yard' pictured here be the basic standard for anyone requesting a ship repair station, as this is neither too large nor armed enough to make an impact on a world's defensive or offensive capabilities)
Information- Lorrd purchased a repair yard several centuries ago to ensure the smooth working and constant maintenance of their planetary defense forces, as well as the numerous trade vessels that Lorrdian merchants, especially those affiliated with the Ruling Houses, utilized. It became a more profitable item when ships coming to Lorrd required repairs, or wished for a retrofit and, for a fee, they could find such. In present day, the repair yard employes nearly two-thousand Lorrdians and is capable of working on everything from droid repair, to starships.
1x FireStar-class Orbital Defense Station
Information- While the option of purchasing a Golan-I defense platform had occurred to the Lorrdian Ruling Houses, Golan Arms had not been in favor of the then-rulers, and instead, they turned directly to Rendili StarDrive to solve their issue. It was decided that a platform that did not mount turbolasers would be more acceptable to the common public, and to the varied traders and visitors who had to stop by the customs station on their way planetside, or to conduct trade on board the station. At present, there is room for up to two-hundred traders to set up shop on-station, allowing trade from both planet and space, though each 'stall' costs credits.
4x Gun Emplacement
Information- Arrayed in a 'box' around the repair yard, the quartet of gun emplacements were seen as a cheap method of interdicting any vessels attempting to do harm to the repair yard, while also preventing any customers attempting to 'eat and ditch' from getting away without paying their fees. Rotational crews ensure fresh minds and bodies keep on duty, regardless of how boring the job might seem at times.
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1x Munifex-class light cruiser
4x Consular-class cruisers- refit with 4x Double turbolaser turrets and 2x concussion missile launchers w/ a magazine of 12x concussion missiles each.
4x PB-950 Patrol Boat
8x Tri-Mark VII Interceptor
24x MorningStar-B Starfighter- 12x with heavy laser cannons replaced by heavy ion cannons
24x HLAF-500 Starfighter
Information- Lorrd has been a very militaristic world since the Kanz Disorders, vowing to never again fall under the yoke of any oppressing hand. However, a projection of power is required, and shown by their military and their operational fleet. Understanding the need for a 'flag' vessel for official purposes, there is no true flagship of the Lorrdian Planetary Defense Forces. To fulfill this role to outsiders, however, especially attackers, the Class 1000/Munifex light cruiser serves perfectly, being rather heavily armed and the only one of its kind. In truth, it is the refit Consular-classes, purchased as civilian models and reworked by Lorrd Engineering to have heavier armor, military-grade shields and sensors and weapons, which make the backbone of their defensive fleet with both speed and firepower.
For patrol of the spacelanes, Lorrd relies upon a combination of the sturdy PB-950 patrol boat to disable pirates and raiders, and the heavier guns of the Tri-Mark Interceptor to combat most armed freighters and deliver troops to disabled craft. The four squadrons of snubfighters that serve from both Lorrd's station and planetside, act as interceptors and support to the larger craft.
Alyn Stark
Lord of House Stark
Governor of Kinyov Province
Owner, Stark Unified Defense (presumed)
Owner, Lorrd Engineering (presumed)
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| Jace_Varitek | Date: Tuesday, 24 December 13, 8:20 PM | Message # 2 |
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| The bad news is that some of this is denied. The good news is I don't have any concern about too many ships here, and there are a lot of alternatives for the things that are denied, so they should be easy to replace in this request. First, the following is APPROVED:
■ 1 Repair Yard
■ 4 Gun Emplacements
■ 1 Class 1000 Cruiser (or "Munifex-class Light Cruiser," but I'm old school).
■ 4 PB-950 Patrol Boats (Suspicious)
■ 8 Tri-Mark VII Interceptors
■ 24 HLAF-500 Starfighters
And the following DENIED:
■ 1 FireStar-class Orbital Defense Station
■ 4 Consular-class Cruisers (I'd rather stay away from this design for use as a planetary warship).
■ 24 MorningStar-B Starfighters
The FireStar is far, far too heavily-armed. I could possible approve of it if maybe Lorrd has some ancient treaty with Argazda that required it to remove all the concussion missiles from the station. (The concussion missiles are the main problem, though that's a hell of a lot of turbolasers, too. Even without the missiles, you'd be pretty much capped in terms of capital ships for the foreseeable future and I don't think you want that). The loadout on the Consular-class is fine, but I'd rather avoid using the Consular-class as a planetary warship. Perhaps a CR-70 or CR-90 would be more appropriate (I forget how the CR-70 vs. -90 debate ended). Finally, the MorningStar's are okay in smaller numbers, but they're heavily-armed enough that I won't be approving of them in the same numbers I'd approve most starfighters, such as the HLAF-500's. And rather than slashing the number, I'm just denying them all since I figured you might just want to choose another, more lightly-armed design that you can have more of.
Jace Varitek
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| Alyn_Stark | Date: Sunday, 19 January 14, 9:48 AM | Message # 3 |
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| Instead of the 24x MorningStar-B fighters, would it be possible to replace them with an equal number of HLAF-500s?
In regards to the FireStar, it's not actually turbolasers, but laser cannons. If this changes anything, you'll see why the concussion missile load-out is more 'acceptable' in terms of capital ship defense. If not, then I'd be willing to take it with reduced numbers of missiles (or none at all, if necessary).
Even between the CR70 and CR90, I'm honestly not overly fond of either design, largely because they're either too gun-light or too gun-heavy. However, we have seen Consular-classes before utilized as modified military vessels in standard Star Wars timeline, albeit modified.
Alyn Stark
Lord of House Stark
Governor of Kinyov Province
Owner, Stark Unified Defense (presumed)
Owner, Lorrd Engineering (presumed)
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| Jamie_the_Hutt | Date: Tuesday, 11 February 14, 5:51 PM | Message # 4 |
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| Quote Jace_Varitek (  ) ■ 1 Repair Yard
■ 4 Gun Emplacements
■ 1 Class 1000 Cruiser (or "Munifex-class Light Cruiser," but I'm old school).
■ 4 PB-950 Patrol Boats (Suspicious)
■ 8 Tri-Mark VII Interceptors
■ 24 HLAF-500 Starfighters
I am going to go along and approve Jace's numbers plus give you the option of swapping half the Tri-Mark VII Interceptors or all the PB-950 boats for 24 more HLAF-500s if you want.
And/Or all the Tri-Mark VII Interceptors for 2 of your Retrofitted Consular-class ships.
Jamulon Desilijic Tiure
known as "Jamie the Hutt"
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| Alyn_Stark | Date: Wednesday, 12 February 14, 9:43 AM | Message # 5 |
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| If Jace and you both have honest issue with the refit Consular-classes, I can find something else more appropriate. I'm willing to drop those particular ships.
However, the issue of the FireStar still hasn't been addressed, which I think is rather important.
Also, would like to hear in from Jace on the swap of the MorningStar fighters for the HLAF fighters.
Alyn Stark
Lord of House Stark
Governor of Kinyov Province
Owner, Stark Unified Defense (presumed)
Owner, Lorrd Engineering (presumed)
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| Jamie_the_Hutt | Date: Monday, 10 March 14, 3:53 AM | Message # 6 |
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| I think over-all we were being miserly here.
Still no on the firestar. I think it's an endgame station for this RP I'm afraid.
But I will approve a larger force and consolidate the Iron Guard request into this one.
Lorrd Planetary Defense Force
Designed as a force which can defend Lorrd but also afford to send assets to Kol Huro to defend it from serious attack while not leaving itself totally undefended.
■ 1 Repair Yard
■ 4 Gun Emplacements
■ 2 Class 1000 Cruiser (or "Munifex-class Light Cruiser," but I'm old school).
■ 2 PB-950 Patrol Boats
■ 24 HLAF-500 Starfighters
■ 1 Herald-class Corvette
■ 1 Armored Defense Platform
- Anchored geostationary at either pole - the whole world isn't under it's guns.
- Can have freighters land.
- Slightly inferior strength hull and deflectors to a Golan-I.
- Plenty of space for civilian use in the interior.
- Turbolasers placed around the station - so all guns cant shoot at once.
- Provides excellent sensor data for Lorrd's defenses and can detect incoming vessels 10 seconds out via hyperspace.
■ 1 Lorrdian House Forces (if you insist on them existing) should not be based out of Lorrd itself - they must be based elsewhere but may visit for whatever reason. In theory they are there to protect House assets on other worlds.
House Garth/Other Houses (split as you want) Must be RPed by other players if used aggressively.
1 CR90
1 CR70
2 Gozanti Cruisers
24 Assorted Snubfighters
House Stark
1 Custom Capital Ship one of either of those two designs. This will be the only ship House Stark can afford, including Stark's PMCs etc there won't be further capital craft under his command. This includes the compliment of (24x R-41 Starchasers, 24x Nighthound-class transports)
6 Ground based fighters for Kinyov Province
Jamulon Desilijic Tiure
known as "Jamie the Hutt"
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Bey of the Cygnus Star Empire
Nephew to Jabba the Hutt
Associate Member of the Hutt Cartel
Message edited by Jamie_the_Hutt - Monday, 10 March 14, 5:19 AM |
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| Alyn_Stark | Date: Monday, 10 March 14, 10:05 AM | Message # 7 |
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| Perhaps it's just me, but an armored defense platform would be cheaper (offhand, so easier to buy more), but it's inefficient for use here. I don't see provisions for stocking station-based fighters (which are more efficient than planetary-based), and I still don't see the FireStar as a game-ender. Could it decimate fighters and perhaps corvettes that got too close? Yeah. Could it successfully neutralize all but the most determined warhead assaults? Quite possibly. However, it's still only armed with laser cannons, especially if we take out the missile launcher on it.
This seems to me that even the Rothana Obliterator-class could simply stand off and decimate it, or for that matter, any long-range ship, or even anything armed with turbolasers. The FireStar also offers extra protection for the orbital repair facility and allows for efficient running of trade on the station itself.
For all intents, I'd like to hear from Jace in regards to fleet numbers, but two Class 1000s is actually bigger than I'd intended. I do agree with the caveat that any House-based ships would be, as you say, elsewhere protecting House interests, though I disagree with the vessels you've chosen largely because I've a sort of stereotype in mind for House Garth and Volmen and corvettes and the Gozanti cruisers are far too 'warshippy' for them.
Alyn Stark
Lord of House Stark
Governor of Kinyov Province
Owner, Stark Unified Defense (presumed)
Owner, Lorrd Engineering (presumed)
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| Jamie_the_Hutt | Date: Tuesday, 11 March 14, 1:08 AM | Message # 8 |
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| If you're willing to swap the proposed Defense Platform for a FireStar-class (with no Concussion missile launchers.. i.e. Just 148 Laser cannons) that wouldn't be a problem with me I suppose. The lack of Turbolaser Defenses would appear to be an incredibly odd choice but it's your call.
I'd also settle for House Garth/Volwhatever having less military craft. Please present an alternative list which should not be vastly higher numerically than the ships offered.
Also, with the Repair Yard, FireStar and Gun Emplacements close together you do make yourself very reliant upon the mobile fraction of your force. If they were gone or occupied most of Lorrd would be vulnerable..
Jamulon Desilijic Tiure
known as "Jamie the Hutt"
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Bey of the Cygnus Star Empire
Nephew to Jabba the Hutt
Associate Member of the Hutt Cartel
Message edited by Jamie_the_Hutt - Tuesday, 11 March 14, 1:11 AM |
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| Jace_Varitek | Date: Tuesday, 11 March 14, 5:42 PM | Message # 9 |
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| I think we're close to agreement around these numbers. However, I also feel there should be a re-think of this request consistent with my post on the Kol Huro request. That is, I think you should fold the Kol Huro request into this one, so there's one request for all of Lorrd's forces without regard to which House has which ships or which ships are used to defend Lorrd or Kol Huro, etc. In other words, as far as management should be concerned, Lorrd has X number of ships. How you use them is up to you.
The reason this requires a re-think of this request is that, for example, if you want a Firestar-class station (which I'm actually open to now, provided the missiles are removed—not even the missile launchers, but simply the missiles, so you have the option of re-arming the station in extreme circumstances, doing so however in violation of the law), you might want to put it at Kol Huro instead because the Kol Huro worlds (without a dedicated fleet of their own) would benefit more from stationary defenses. But again, that'd be up to you; but what I'd like to see is a request for everything that Lorrd has. Not what Kol Huro has or Stark or House Garth—everything. Because the total number of ships is what I think management should be concerned with.
Jace Varitek
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| Mike | Date: Tuesday, 11 March 14, 8:55 PM | Message # 10 |
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| Since this was re-requested and altered, I am closing it up.
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