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The Kol Huro System Defense Fleet
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| Jamie_the_Hutt | Date: Tuesday, 11 March 14, 10:59 AM | Message # 11 |
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| The fleet is modest.
It's easily able to defeat enemy ships of a sub-capital level, and has the ability to deal with Corvette grade enemy vessels too.
This is not bad. But what you seem to be asking is the firepower to defend against a warfleet, so Kol-Huro is invulnerable and does not rely upon Lorrd for its guard. To me, while Lorrd or it's Houses hold the keys to the output of Kol Huro, then their defenses have to be considered mutual. To defend Lorrd and Kol Huro well you'd not be able to attack elsewhere. To launch any operation would require weakening the defenses of either world, something I am in favour of.
Kol Huro is Lorrd's breadbasket. It must be to Lorrd to provide the heavier defensive ships. A static fleet along the lines I suggest I believe is proportionate for Kol Huro to have with no Lorrdian supplemental aid.
Jamulon Desilijic Tiure
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Nephew to Jabba the Hutt
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| Alyn_Stark | Date: Tuesday, 11 March 14, 1:07 PM | Message # 12 |
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| For starters, the canonical Lorrd obviously relies on something else; some form of export, for income. What, I don't precisely know. Lorrd isn't written about overly much to date.
If I may point out a few things I saw elsewhere in regards to an upgrade of a fleet:
Quote Senator_Kruus (  ) Perhaps nobody plans an invasion of the Cygnus Star Empire, but if one followed recent affairs it has signed an extremely provocative Trade Agreement locking the Trade Federation out of it's territory and granting another shipper a variety of valuable monopolies.
Nobody is planning a major invasion of the Kol Huro Sector, but as you say, it is a major source of income for Lorrd. As such, and from the ever-changing course of the roleplay as we've seen, anything could happen. Lorrd could piss off Alderaan and Alderaan could try to retaliate. You've even mentioned that Ordan would execute a scorched earth policy to hit Lorrd where it would hurt, if such occurred.
Quote Senator_Kruus ( ) The Cygnus Empire also is threatened internally by the Kerubielite Raiders who pose a constant threat to life and welfare.
Perhaps this is reaching, but Lorrd itself has already been targeted once by a major attack from the Kerubielites, who are now trying to carve themselves into another area in the Kanz Sector.
Quote Senator_Kruus ( ) The new items essentially run to for nine new frigates, four patrol boats, an anti-fighter ship and converting a Freighter to sweep for mines, as well as buying a comms craft (a direct response to the Jamming at Ord Wylan), plus I sold most of the old fleet.
This is a fleet for the whole Cygnus Star Empire and not just a world. This fleet will be constantly divided into different units unless in rare circumstances. They propose to have 10 proper warships (since the Alderaanian Frigate will be sold once I have a buyer), none above frigate size, designed to launch invasion forces. Even as a single fleet all the Cygnus Forces could be defeated easily by a tiny number of Trade Federation converted freighters.
Now, granted, the Cygnus Star Empire is said to be "a handful of systems" a few parsecs wide. Technically speaking, that would warrant them more than 10 'proper warships' (frigate-sized), four patrol boats, an anti-fighter ship, a comms craft and a minesweeper. Not counting whatever might be left over from the old fleet (I'm not sure what, if anything, remains). This fleet, as you say, is also designed to launch invasions, though for argument's sake, you compare it against the strength of, what I assume you mean by 'converted freighters' to be Lucrehulks. Technically speaking, 2-4 Lucrehulk-class vessels could swarm almost any fleet by sheer weight of droid starfighter numbers.
Now, the Kol Huro Defense Fleet, on the other hand, consists of one 'major' capitol vessel which carries a moderate armament. I won't go into fighter types necessarily, because that's piecemeal. The Defender-class light corvette is more of an anti-starfighter deterrent than anything, and I'm willing to drop that number to four (4). The Gozanti is self-explanatory; tackling mid-level threats. So in retrospect, perhaps you didn't look over all the statistics, but I'm asking for a capitol vessel that has a bit better armament than an Invincible-class cruiser, supported by slower, mid-level vessels (the Gozanti cruisers) and backed by anti-starfighter corvettes. My point being is that, compared even to the Cygnus fleet) which albeit does guard the entire empire, this fleet here is not improper for guarding seven worlds, which you state as being Lorrd's breadbasket. Furthermore, I also don't see how this listed fleet makes Kol Huro invulnerable at all.
Simply because Lorrd has a major interest in Kol Huro doesn't mean they'd leave half their fleet there. It also seems to make more sense that they would put more effort into securing a dedicated defense for the system.
So, before I go more into this, I would like to see a response from Jace and not a rebuttal from you; no offense intended.
Alyn Stark
Lord of House Stark
Governor of Kinyov Province
Owner, Stark Unified Defense (presumed)
Owner, Lorrd Engineering (presumed)
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| Jace_Varitek | Date: Tuesday, 11 March 14, 5:21 PM | Message # 13 |
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| Gentlemen. Much of this debate seems extraneous. The main point here as I understand it is that the Kol Huro System is of great economic importance to Lorrd and it's in Lorrd's interest to defend it robustly. That would be true whether or not Alderaan has boots on Jerne or Kerubiel's people have attacked Lorrd recently, so let's try to separate consideration of this request from consideration of those other, perhaps emotionally-charged episodes in the RP.
I'm afraid I have a broad problem with the request, and the other requests for Lorrd, the Iron Guard, etc.
Quote The ships listed there are sort of a blurred line between Stark's commercial enterprises and Lorrd's defensive emplacements.
This really isn't a desirable state of affairs. While I'm never one to encourage longer requests, I really do feel that there should be one request for the Lorrdian Navy—the total number of ships that Lorrd has—and you can use the ships on that list however you please; to defend Lorrd, Kol Huro, or what have you. We've been rather consistent in compelling a choice of offensive capability or defensive capability of planetary fleets, but not both at the same time. A separate fleet specifically for Kol Huro defeats this purpose—it's essentially a request for near-complete impregnability which I don't think is realistic for an Outer Rim world. Kol Huro is a gift and a curse; it needs to be defended, yes, but it should be defended with the ships that Lorrd already has. (I apply this same standard, for example, to Alderaan—I won't be approving of any additional ships for Alderaan just because it has additional colonies that it needs to defend. It has to work with what it already has).
To do so is challenging, but not impossible. I really think when it comes to the Kol Huro worlds, you should pursue a three-point strategy of 1.) stationary defenses such as gun emplacements and tractor beam arrays (planetary weapons are a possibility too), 2.) starfighters and system patrol ships that are fast and hyperspace-incapable (you could request dozens of these), and 3.) theater shielding. The purpose of this would be to hold off attacks until Lorrd-based reinforcements can arrive (the Lorrd System is next-door, so it shouldn't take long).
Until our minds can meet around this concept of one request for all of Lorrd's ships and other forces including the Iron Guard, I fear we can't progress far on this or possibly the other Lorrd-related requests (which I haven't gotten to yet, but I'm about to).
Jace Varitek
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| Jace_Varitek | Date: Tuesday, 11 March 14, 5:26 PM | Message # 14 |
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| There are IC options, too. For instance, Lekpin could emphasize the economic importance of the Kol Huro System to the Kanz Sector and the Republic in general, and lobby for Republic forces to be stationed there. With some vote-trading in the Senate, I'm sure this would be easy to do. That's just one idea though to get you thinking outside this idea of a separate fleet for Kol Huro, for Stark, for Lorrd, etc.
Jace Varitek
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| Mike | Date: Tuesday, 11 March 14, 8:56 PM | Message # 15 |
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| Since this was re-requested and altered, I am closing it up.
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