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| Crown_Prince_Ordan | Date: Wednesday, 30 October 13, 11:02 PM | Message # 1 |
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| I'd like to request I be King of Alderaan, the family having taken the throne a couple of generations ago living in a roughly constitutional monarchy.
I'd like control of the system etc.
My new Alderaan would not be the wishy washy bedwedding Alderaan of the films era (in fact I dare guess they would be a reaction to the government in this era which is robustly Humanocentric, Pro-Republic, Apathetic at best toward Jedi and in favour of giving the foes of the Republic a damn good kicking, including the Hutts or any other deviant aliens, Mandalorians etc who want to look down the barrel of a turbolaser.
Fleet
Dreadnaught-class Heavy Cruiser (1) - Z-95s not TIEs, no landing craft present as constitution forbids invading other worlds.
Alderaanian Frigate (12)
Thranta-class (6)
Thanks to past militant rulers, the following of the fleet have been Constitutionally prohibited from leaving the Alderaan Sector
Alderaanian Frigate (6)
Thranta-class (4)
This means that any taskforce sent out of the sector can only be made up of the following ships and will require a vote of authorization to continue their use outside the Alderaan Sector for any time over 60 days (management autos this outcome).
Dreadnaught-class Heavy Cruiser (1)
Alderaanian Frigate (4)
Thranta-class (2)
Purpose?
To give Alderaan a very different spin for our time period, while not a colonial power, a power which acts as a Gunboat diplomat, bullying, threatening and blackmailing worlds to further Alderaanian and wider human agendas. Think the Anglo-Zanzibar War.
To envoke a very patriotic sentiment among humans galaxywide.
To stir up resentment among aliens.
To provide help for distressed human worlds when the Republic's bureaucracy fails them (for the cheap price of an exclusive trade treaty or two)
His Most Royal and Secular Majesty Henrik III
By the Providence of the Universe, of the Sovereign World of Alderaan, of Avirandel, Delaya, Avishan and Raisa and of His other Realms and Territories, Prince-Regent. Head of the Alderaaan Sector Commonwealth, Defender of Secularism and Steward of the Commenor Run. &c
Representative of Alderaan in the Galactic Senate.
King of the Grizmallt System
Chair of the Senate Judiciary Committee
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| Jace_Varitek | Date: Sunday, 03 November 13, 10:54 PM | Message # 2 |
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| I approve of the request in principle and the following ships are APPROVED:
■ 4 Thranta-class War Cruisers
■ 12 Alderaanian War Frigates (if it comes up in the RP, let it be referred to formally as the "Alderaan-class War Frigate").
Because the Dreadnaught is a fairly new design (approximately 8 years old as of the RP), but mostly because of its large size (for this era) and heavy armament (again, for this era), I'd rather see the acquisition of a Dreadnaught be RP'd first. I think Alderaan's acquisition of a Dreadnaught would be a topic worthy of discussion in the Senate, which is currently very much in need of topics worthy of discussion.
So the following are tentatively DENIED:
■ 1 Dreadnaught-class Heavy Cruiser
■ 6 Thranta-class War Cruisers
■ 6 Alderaanian War Frigates
("Tentatively" because I can probably be persuaded to approve of 1 or 2 additional Thranta- or Alderaan-class ships. Probably Thrantas). I deny them, however, in accordance with Rule 3.2, which reads (in part):
Quote Rule 3.2 "Fleets should be sufficiently large enough for the defense of one's own planet or faction, or to attack other planets, but not large enough to effectively defend one's own planet and attack other planets simultaneously."
It's poorly-worded (I have yet to think of a good way to phrase it), but its purpose is to compel a choice between either offense or defense, but not both at the same time—a long-time AGW policy. Thus the IC considerations about these or those ships which can or can't be deployed under such and such circumstances aren't something that I feel I need to consider in rendering an OOC judgment. This is, as I say, my feeling—I'm reluctant to make it a precedent because I'm not sure if I've anticipated all of its implications yet. So that's another reason why the denial is only tentative; I'd be happy to entertain a contrary view.
Jace Varitek
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| Praetor_Oriel | Date: Monday, 04 November 13, 3:07 PM | Message # 3 |
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| The Dreadnaught is just there as something to swank around in. The Tentative "1 or 2 additional Thranta- or Alderaan-class ships. Probably Thrantas" could we switch for something with a lot of swank I request in future.
But provisionally the numbers you list are good with me. I do agree RPing the procurement of the other ship would be good for RP.
Praetor Tyrion Oriel
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Count of Le Vallée de la Terreur, Vjun Highlands
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| Crown_Prince_Ordan | Date: Friday, 08 November 13, 6:15 PM | Message # 4 |
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| So current fleet:
4 Thranta-class War Cruisers
12 Alderaanian War Frigates (if it comes up in the RP, let it be referred to formally as the "Alderaan-class War Frigate")
To be supplemented with the vessels detailed here. As part of the deal 2 Alderaan-class War Frigates will be transferred to Mon-Calamari Shipyards (and into the navy (I presume) of the Planet Dac)
So after these new purchases the current state of the Fleet will be
1 Endurance-class Heavy Cruiser (On order from Mon Calamari, still not built, construction etc needs to be RPed)
2 Chancellor-class Missile Defense Frigates (still not built, construction etc needs to be RPed)
4 Thranta-class War Cruisers
10 Alderaanian War Frigate
Essentially I am just appending this to the last request to avoid putting another one up in a few weeks. Those are the "hypothetical" numbers which will be reliant upon Mon Cal Shipyards coming up with the promised product.. So I'm requesting permission to aquire them and then to own them once I have, not for me to have them instantly.
Oh and since there's a Hangar on those Alderaan War Frigates, I'd like each to carry eight cheap Mankvim interceptors piloted by droids, just to allow some flexibility when engaging pirates.
His Most Royal and Secular Majesty Henrik III
By the Providence of the Universe, of the Sovereign World of Alderaan, of Avirandel, Delaya, Avishan and Raisa and of His other Realms and Territories, Prince-Regent. Head of the Alderaaan Sector Commonwealth, Defender of Secularism and Steward of the Commenor Run. &c
Representative of Alderaan in the Galactic Senate.
King of the Grizmallt System
Chair of the Senate Judiciary Committee
Message edited by Crown_Prince_Ordan - Tuesday, 12 November 13, 9:28 AM |
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| Jace_Varitek | Date: Saturday, 23 November 13, 4:56 PM | Message # 5 |
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| The previously-approved numbers were the highest I intended to go for the time being; however, since you did persuade me to toss in a cruiser-sized ship at some point, I can APPROVE of the Endurance-class Heavy Cruiser (I quote the stats below for reference). But the Chancellor-class Frigates are going to have to come at the cost of some of your other ships—probably a lot of them, if you want the Chancellor-class to be that heavily-armed.
Quote Endurance-class MC-75 Heavy Cruiser
A Heavy Cruiser able to compete with other classes legal under the Ruusan Regulations. The Endurance-class is a vessel built to be able to expand and contract in length and hyperdrive speed in obedience to the rules set at the Ruusan Reformation regarding 600m being the maximum length of ship with a fast hyperdrive.
The Endurance-class is 600m as standard, but can (given the crew being prepared) telescope open a spar of hull which extends the length of the hull by 103m, this gives the class some additional firepower and vastly increased hangar space. However, the Endurance-class is vulnerable as it expands or collapses it's spar as it's shield generators will not work as the ship is changing form, meaning a period of vulnerability if the vessel reconfigures in dangerous circumstances.
Length: 600m (Compressed) 703m (Expanded mode)
Time to Expand: 5 Minutes (Must be unshielded throughout)
Time to Compress: 30 Minutes (Must be unshielded throughout)
Shields and Hull: Equivalent to MC80, if unshielded extended spar is more vulnerable like with a Nebulon-B.
Crew: 30 (functional), 6,000 (standard) 2,000 (droids aboard also)
Passengers: 500
Royal State Rooms (Budgeted for 1 Prince)
Gentlemen-in-Waiting's Quarters (19 Comfortable single rooms for the Prince's retinue)
Forty Luxury Suites (2 passengers per suite)
Servants Quarters (Spartan shared double rooms able to house 100 servants.)
50 Marine Officers Cabins (To hold the Marines' officers and NCOs - 30. Plus any additional officers, specialists or advisors present (20 cabins)
250 Marine Berths (Marines accommodated in barrack block style rooms ten to a room)
Top Speed: 25 MGLT
Hyperdrive: Class 1.5 (Compressed) only reserve hyperdrive (Class 5.5) will operate if hull fully extended.
Armament:
■ 2 Dual Heavy Long Range Turbolaser Turrets (.5x normal range)
■ 12 Dual Medium Turbolaser Cannons (10 when ship compressed)
■ 12 Dual Ion Cannons (10 when ship compressed)
■ 16 Point Defense Laser Cannons
■ 4 Tractor Beam Projectors
Complement:
48 Toscan 8-Q starfighter (Only 24 launchable in Compressed mode)
Hangar space for a dozen other ships up to light freighter size when Extended.
Consumables: 6 months
Jace Varitek
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| Crown_Prince_Ordan | Date: Sunday, 24 November 13, 10:05 PM | Message # 6 |
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| I'd like to counter-offer on weapons.
2 Dual Proton Cannon Turrets
4 Proton Cannon Turrets
16 Dual Turbolaser Cannons
16 Dual Light Ion Cannons
16 Point Defense Laser Cannons
TEP: 60.4
TEP of Original: 88.4
TEP of Proposal in above post: 56.4
Since I've moved a long way from my negotiating position, would that work?Added (24 November 13, 10:05 PM)
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As for the new Frigates. I think trading up the current two frigates I am giving up, plus perhaps another thranta if its essential... would be it. Since I am already taking a big cut in firepower having a cruiser replace those two frigates, I dont want to again take a massive hit in firepower getting two purely defensive ships for any serious number of hard hitting Alderaaan ships.
His Most Royal and Secular Majesty Henrik III
By the Providence of the Universe, of the Sovereign World of Alderaan, of Avirandel, Delaya, Avishan and Raisa and of His other Realms and Territories, Prince-Regent. Head of the Alderaaan Sector Commonwealth, Defender of Secularism and Steward of the Commenor Run. &c
Representative of Alderaan in the Galactic Senate.
King of the Grizmallt System
Chair of the Senate Judiciary Committee
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| Jamie_the_Hutt | Date: Friday, 14 February 14, 12:48 PM | Message # 7 |
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| Hoo? Added (14 February 14, 12:48 PM)
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Hoo 
Jamulon Desilijic Tiure
known as "Jamie the Hutt"
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Bey of the Cygnus Star Empire
Nephew to Jabba the Hutt
Associate Member of the Hutt Cartel
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| Mike | Date: Friday, 14 February 14, 12:57 PM | Message # 8 |
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| No worries. This is on my list to hit this weekend. It was a hellish week, though, hence why I hit the smaller requests first.
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| Mike | Date: Saturday, 15 February 14, 5:36 PM | Message # 9 |
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| For starters, I'm forever going to deny proton cannons on the grounds that they are far too powerful; indeed, noted here, a single shell can breach the hull of an Acclamator and three firing at once destroyed a Republic ship 'within seconds.' However, I do fully approve of the Endurance-class.
That being said, my approval stands as thus:
1x Endurance-class heavy cruiser
2x Chancellor-class missile defense frigates (pending Jace's take)
4x Thranta-class cruisers
4x Alderranian war frigates
32x Mankvim interceptors
This still allots you 11 large vessels and some small starfighters; enough, I would think, for a decent fleet.
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| Crown_Prince_Ordan | Date: Sunday, 16 February 14, 0:16 AM | Message # 10 |
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| Proposal 1
1x Endurance-class heavy cruiser (My reduced stats. With proton cannons simply being taken as a cannon 1.5x the power of a turbolaser for this ship, regardless of the TEP List applicability as a chart.) This gives it a total firepower (not in a given direction but over the whole ship) of the equivalent to circa 60 Turbolasers I don't think it's unreasonable and here are some comparisons.
Comparables illustrating the proportionality of the Endurance-class's weapons with references to the length/weapons ratios of other ships.
Two of the Munifex-class ship (half the length of my design) would together outgun the Endurance. Each craft having firepower matching 40 Turbolasers making two of them 33% better armed than the Endurance despite being the same lengthThe Munificent-class (not including Prow-TLs) has close to twice the firepower of the Endurance despite being only 50% longer.Two Carrack-class ships outgun the EnduranceThe basic MC80a (a converted Liner and the ship I intend the Endurance to be the intellectual predecessor of) outguns the Endurance-class by having a turbolaser equivalent of 68 to the Endurance's circa 60.Six [url=http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Consular-class_cruiser_(Charger_c70_retrofit)]Retrofitted Consular-class[/url] Cruisers would have approximately equal firepower to the Endurance.To jump to another later period, the Endurance would be outgunned by 3 Nebulon-Bs or 12 IPV-1 Patrol Craft (who would certainly best it due to higher speed), a Modernized Dreadnaught-class would have twice its gunnery, Eight civilian stock CR-90s would have an output of the equivalent of 64 Turbolaser blasts.Thus I ask you to draw the only conclusion I feel is rational: The Endurance Armament is proportional and rational to a ship of it's length and is not excessive.
2x Chancellor-class missile cruiser
2x Thranta-class cruisers
8x Alderranian war frigates
48x Mankvim interceptors
Alternatively...
Backup Proposal
I'd settle for Jace's original proposal and I will re-request the newer ships at a later date to end quibbling over the basic request.
Quote Jace_Varitek (  ) ■ 4 Thranta-class War Cruisers
■ 12 Alderaanian War Frigates (if it comes up in the RP, let it be referred to formally as the "Alderaan-class War Frigate").
His Most Royal and Secular Majesty Henrik III
By the Providence of the Universe, of the Sovereign World of Alderaan, of Avirandel, Delaya, Avishan and Raisa and of His other Realms and Territories, Prince-Regent. Head of the Alderaaan Sector Commonwealth, Defender of Secularism and Steward of the Commenor Run. &c
Representative of Alderaan in the Galactic Senate.
King of the Grizmallt System
Chair of the Senate Judiciary Committee
Message edited by Crown_Prince_Ordan - Thursday, 27 February 14, 1:15 PM |
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