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| Mike | Date: Sunday, 16 February 14, 4:11 AM | Message # 11 |
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| As a side note, the 'tep list' has never actually been approved, so at this time, I don't believe we are utilizing ratings based upon it as a system.
However, more to come on this request in the morning.
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| Jamie_the_Hutt | Date: Sunday, 16 February 14, 1:31 PM | Message # 12 |
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| As a system it's simply a numerical one... so when I use proton cannon and refer to the TEP (turbolaser equivalent power - which is a standard most requests seem to use) list I mean "a weapon 1.5x the yield of a standard capital ship turbolaser"... Irrespective of the RP adopting the system.
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| Crown_Prince_Ordan | Date: Thursday, 27 February 14, 1:19 PM | Message # 13 |
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| Since this request is imminently spreading into a sixth calendar month, I would like to restate my proposals as a form of gentle bump.
Proposal 1
1x Endurance-class heavy cruiser (My reduced stats. With proton cannons simply being taken as a cannon 1.5x the power of a turbolaser for this ship, regardless of the TEP List applicability as a chart.) This gives it a total firepower (not in a given direction but over the whole ship) of the equivalent to circa 60 Turbolasers I don't think it's unreasonable and here are some comparisons with other craft which are often more densely armed for their length. This isn't a supership, it has no magic uberweapons, it's a regular ship which just happens to be custom designed and which I would like to use since I spent a while on the design to make it nice looking and also reasonably balanced in the RP.
Comparables illustrating the proportionality of the Endurance-class's weapons with references to the length/weapons ratios of other ships.
Two of the Munifex-class ship (half the length of my design) would together outgun the Endurance. Each craft having firepower matching 40 Turbolasers making two of them 33% better armed than the Endurance despite being the same lengthThe Munificent-class (not including Prow-TLs) has close to twice the firepower of the Endurance despite being only 50% longer.Two Carrack-class ships outgun the EnduranceThe basic MC80a (a converted Liner and the ship I intend the Endurance to be the intellectual predecessor of) outguns the Endurance-class by having a turbolaser equivalent of 68 to the Endurance's circa 60.Six [url=http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Consular-class_cruiser_(Charger_c70_retrofit)]Retrofitted Consular-class[/url] Cruisers would have approximately equal firepower to the Endurance.To jump to another later period, the Endurance would be outgunned by 3 Nebulon-Bs or 12 IPV-1 Patrol Craft (who would certainly best it due to higher speed), a Modernized Dreadnaught-class would have twice its gunnery, Eight civilian stock CR-90s would have an output of the equivalent of 64 Turbolaser blasts.Thus I ask you to draw the only conclusion I feel is rational: The Endurance Armament is proportional and rational to a ship of it's length and is not excessive.
2x Chancellor-class missile cruiser
2x Thranta-class cruisers
8x Alderranian war frigates
48x Mankvim interceptors
Alternatively...
Backup Proposal
I'd settle for Jace's original proposal and I will re-request the newer ships at a later date to end quibbling over the basic request.
Quote Jace_Varitek (  ) ■ 4 Thranta-class War Cruisers
■ 12 Alderaanian War Frigates (if it comes up in the RP, let it be referred to formally as the "Alderaan-class War Frigate").
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| Jace_Varitek | Date: Sunday, 02 March 14, 3:52 PM | Message # 14 |
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| The following is APPROVED:
1 Endurance-class Heavy Cruiser *
4 Alderaanian War Frigates ("Alderaan-class War Frigate")
12 Thranta-class War Cruisers
36 Mankvim-814 Light Interceptors
*Quote Endurance-class Heavy Cruiser
Length: 600m (Compressed), 703m (Expanded mode)
Time to Expand: 5 Minutes (Must be unshielded throughout)
Time to Compress: 30 Minutes (Must be unshielded throughout)
Shields/Hull: Equivalent to MC80
Crew: 6,000 (Minimum: 30), 2,000 droids
Passengers: 500 (250 Marines, 50 Officers/Specialists)
Top Speed: 25 MGLT
Hyperdrive: Class 1.5 (Compressed), Class 5.5 (Extended).
Armament:
■ 2 Dual Heavy Long Range Turbolaser Turrets (.5x normal range)
■ 12 Dual Medium Turbolaser Cannons (10 when ship compressed)
■ 12 Dual Ion Cannons (10 when ship compressed)
■ 16 Point Defense Laser Cannons
■ 4 Tractor Beam Projectors
Complement:
48 Toscan 8-Q starfighter (Only 24 launchable in Compressed mode)
Hangar space for a dozen other ships up to light freighter size when Extended.
Consumables: 6 months
Proton cannons being less desirable and adding more time onto the consideration of this request/requests.
Jace Varitek
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| Jace_Varitek | Date: Sunday, 02 March 14, 4:14 PM | Message # 15 |
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| Note: This request is still going. I'm coming back to it in a bit.
Jace Varitek
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| Crown_Prince_Ordan | Date: Wednesday, 05 March 14, 3:51 PM | Message # 16 |
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| Just wandering if we could put forward the number set we discussed yesterday putting up here.
I had a take on them, modifying the Thrantas a bit and dropping a War Frigate for a Chancellor-class to protect Endurance.
1 Original Endurance (The flagship)
1 Chancellor-class (with the caveat noted it's weapons are anti-smell craft not anti-capital) - As its swapped out for a War Frigate from your suggested nuber I am open to you just switching this back for a War Frigate, I just like my little missile based anti-fighter escort, like a real destroyer escorts a carrier.
1 RHE Obliterator-class Siege Corvette - To be used very soon against a fortress who's leaders antics are trying Ordan's patience.
8 War Frigates (We will add that War Frigates of this Era are unsuitable for carrying fighters due to some obscure technical constraint)
1 Thranta-class War Cruiser (in service)- One stock, since there's no detail except they carried a good deal of weapons I am going to assume this is some variety of Assault ship which performs like a small Acclamator. No other reason I can think it would be so big but with so few weapons is they're a rapid landing system like the Acclamator, just less well armed.
It could carry 7,500 equipped soldiers (less than half of what an Acclamator carries and it's c.2x the size of a Thranta) and their support weapons, scout craft and light artillery or 200 Armoured Vehicles plus the supply chain needed to maintain them in the field for 6 weeks.
1 Thranta-class War Cruiser (in refit for thee months from the passage of this request) Taken off duty for a month after this request to work forward to building a Light Carrier model which would be requested, either way its out of service for the first three months and may or may not be converted to a pocket carrier.
No Mankvim Squadrons Unless management is feeling exceptionally generous.
His Most Royal and Secular Majesty Henrik III
By the Providence of the Universe, of the Sovereign World of Alderaan, of Avirandel, Delaya, Avishan and Raisa and of His other Realms and Territories, Prince-Regent. Head of the Alderaaan Sector Commonwealth, Defender of Secularism and Steward of the Commenor Run. &c
Representative of Alderaan in the Galactic Senate.
King of the Grizmallt System
Chair of the Senate Judiciary Committee
Message edited by Crown_Prince_Ordan - Wednesday, 05 March 14, 3:55 PM |
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| Jace_Varitek | Date: Thursday, 06 March 14, 5:59 PM | Message # 17 |
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| On agreement with Ordan the following compromise numbers are APPROVED for the time being:
1 Endurance-class Heavy Cruiser *
3 Thranta-class War Cruisers
9 Alderaanian War Frigates ("Alderaan-class War Frigate")
36 Mankvim-814 Light Interceptors
*Quote Endurance-class Heavy Cruiser
Length: 600m (Compressed), 703m (Expanded mode)
Time to Expand: 5 Minutes (Must be unshielded throughout)
Time to Compress: 30 Minutes (Must be unshielded throughout)
Shields/Hull: Equivalent to MC80
Crew: 6,000 (Minimum: 30), 2,000 droids
Passengers: 500 (250 Marines, 50 Officers/Specialists)
Top Speed: 25 MGLT
Hyperdrive: Class 1.5 (Compressed), Class 5.5 (Extended).
Armament:
■ 6 Dual Heavy Long Range Turbolaser Turrets (2x normal range)
■ 16 Dual Medium Turbolaser Cannons (10 when ship compressed)
■ 16 Dual Ion Cannons (10 when ship compressed)
■ 16 Point Defense Laser Cannons
■ 4 Tractor Beam Projectors
Complement:
24 Toscan 8-Q starfighter (Only 12 launchable in Compressed mode)
Hangar space for a dozen other ships up to light freighter size when Extended.
Consumables: 6 months
Jace Varitek
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