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| Verence_Terrawin | Date: Thursday, 15 May 14, 11:27 PM | Message # 1 |
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| Mon-Calamari Civilian Liners to request for Alsakan
Mon-Calamari MC 70 Star Liner 
Designed for long scenic cruises for the ultra-rich who wish to take the "Grand Tour" of the Galactic historical sights.
Name/Type: Mon Calamari 70-class Star Liner
Designer/Manufacturer: Mon Calamari Shipyards
Combat Role: Super Liner
Crew: 1 Captain
60 officers
1800 shipboard crew
3000 droids
240 security personnel & droids
Passengers: 15,000
Length: 1600 Meters
Speed: 40 MGLT
Hyperdrive: Class 1
Backup: Class 6
Shield Rating: 3000 SBD + 4000 SBD Backup
Hull Rating: 2128 RU
Weapons: 10 Taim & Bak XV9 Turbolasers, 10 ArMek SW-7 Ion Cannon Batteries, 6 Phylon-Q7 Tractor Beam Projectors.
Fighter Complement: None as yet
Consumables: 3 Years
MC39-class Star Liner 
A luxury liner intended for routes along the main hyper-routes for wealthy passengers to shuttle to and from the Colonies etc to the Core.
Name/Type: Mon Calamari 39-class Luxury Star Liner
Designer/Manufacturer: Mon Calamari Shipyards
Combat Role: Star Liner
Crew:
1 Captain
15 officers
429 shipboard crew
500 droids
60 security personnel
Passengers: 4,000
Length: 600 Meters
Speed: 60 MGLT
Hyperdrive: Class 1
Backup: Class 8
Shield Rating: 2560 SBD
Hull Rating: 1216 RU
Weapons: 10 Taim & Bak Turbolaser Cannons, 3 Tractor Beam Projectors.
Fighter Complement: None
Consumables: 1 Year
3x Mon-Calamari 70-class Super Liner
3x Mon-Calamari 39-class Luxury Liner
For Alsakan I would like to request three of each with a view to upgrading them to be a martial element of the fleet in future... currently they'd be in dock at Alsakan being analysed. The only upgrades above the standard these have is that they've already been equipped with redundant shielding and hull bracing. Armament and compliment would come later.
Ultimately these ships, once armed would phase out the current bulwark of the fleet, the Axis-class Corvettes which would be sold off. With the help of Rim2Core, they'd be able to retrofit these ships for combat use if need be, of course not as perfectly as the Rebels would do later, but with suitable efficiency.I plan to arm 2 of each.
Verence Terrawin
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Head of the Republic Stellar Cartography Service.
Message edited by Verence_Terrawin - Friday, 16 May 14, 7:22 AM |
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| Mike | Date: Friday, 16 May 14, 5:36 AM | Message # 2 |
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| Well, there are a number of things that need a bit of fixing here.
1) For starters, cruiser liner or not, my understanding seems to be that if these are armed at all, their hyperdrives ought to be lowered to at least Class 5.
2) If you are requesting the armament currently listed, I'd be fine with that, but don't expect an armament upgrade anytime soon, or at least much of one.
3) The MC70's shield rating and hull are far too high, I feel, for civilian craft.
That being said, were I to approve of numbers and considering Alsakan's fleet as it is...
I would be willing to approve of
1x 70-class
3x 39-class
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| Jamie_the_Hutt | Date: Friday, 16 May 14, 7:15 AM | Message # 3 |
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| 1. No. This applies to military vessels. Civilian freighters are permitted to bear defensive armament as is documented in numerous sources. In addition, Manufacturers are permitted to make prototypes and Rim2Core is nothing is not a starship manufacturer, so once it is recognizably military it'll fall under that exemption.
2. The armament will be raised considerably as time goes on. However, this will be at the expense of the current fleet which will be largely phased out, so there will be proportionality. I should add I'm not asking for these ships to be fully operational as anything but Liners yet, slowly, over time, they will be militarized. They'd not even at present be part of the fleet, simply part of Rim2Core and Axis Dockyards testing rigs. They'd not be deployed in a hostile manner as yet.
3. The Craft have (as I mentioned, as the first stage of the refit) been given more military grade hull enhancement and shields as the first part of a program of modernization. The defenses are in fact a shade lower than is appropriate for a militarized Mon-Cal of it's length.
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| Verence_Terrawin | Date: Friday, 16 May 14, 7:22 AM | Message # 4 |
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| However, for the sake of balance took a third off the shields on the MC70
Verence Terrawin
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First Lord of the Foreign Office, Alsakan
Director of the Senate Bureau of Intelligence
Chairbeing of the Appropriations Committee
Head of the Republic Stellar Cartography Service.
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| Jace_Varitek | Date: Friday, 30 May 14, 11:19 PM | Message # 5 |
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| I'm not against the existence of these ships but I'll go with whatever Mike's opinion is of the stats.
However I'm not considering any changes or expansions to Alsakan's fleet at this time. If these won't be used in combat, they don't need to be requested or listed as part of your fleet. If they will be used in combat, they would be an addition to Alsakan's fleet which, again, I'm not considering at this time. Alsakan has a fleet that was approved after many months and many, many iterations and that is the definitive Alsakan fleet for the time being. I sounded this cautionary note preemptively when approving of Rim2Core, if I recall correctly.
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| Verence_Terrawin | Date: Tuesday, 03 June 14, 7:59 AM | Message # 6 |
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| Any replacement would be done as part of a long term process. Essentially phasing out some corvettes. Yes the previous request took time. But it resulted in rather a fudged compromise which caused me to lose sight of their real purpose as an Alsakan fleet... and if I can normalize the fleet to being less tactically offensive (currently it's verrrrry good at attacking people) force and more of a strategic stand-off fleet (maintaining carrier capacity but reducing dependency on less mass destructive craft like my current corvettes).
Eventually I'd like to see it as a carrier based force as it is now, but with some mixed role line craft (some ships on mon-cal lines partially equipped for humanitarian lines but partially for combat) as well as smaller carrier capacity craft, rather than hugely destructive assault corvettes which seem almost like the RP equivalent of nukes conceptually.
So essentially I will eventually be pruning off these nine corvettes and perhaps a Xenvaer or two and going for perhaps 3 mixed-role Humanitarian/Journalistic/Exploratory/Medical/Combat ships in the mon-cal hull pattern and a few light carriers like the Nebula-class or something to allow Alsakan to be less of a "United States" militarily and more of a "United Nations" in its conceptual design. Basically a return to the norm. And as for these ships when requested they'll be simple designs which should make for simple requests, or designs already requested, so reducing wrangling time.
Verence Terrawin
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Senator of Alsakan
First Lord of the Foreign Office, Alsakan
Director of the Senate Bureau of Intelligence
Chairbeing of the Appropriations Committee
Head of the Republic Stellar Cartography Service.
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| Mike | Date: Wednesday, 04 June 14, 8:04 PM | Message # 7 |
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| Jace makes a very valid point regarding Alsakan's fleet.
If/when these ships come into actual being, and mind you, I'm approving the building of them only, and, presumably, as you say, you intend to upgrade the armaments, I will approve the following:
1x MC-70 Star Liner
2x MC-39 Star Liner
You're more than welcome to request modifications to Alsakan's fleet once the new request rules come into being, but know that certain things will have to be traded out if you want a major upgrade like this.
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| Jamie_the_Hutt | Date: Wednesday, 04 June 14, 10:30 PM | Message # 8 |
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| YARP
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| Mike | Date: Thursday, 05 June 14, 1:48 AM | Message # 9 |
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| I take that as agreement.
Approving the concept of the ships and/or their beginning construction as is here.
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