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A motion to end systematic speciesism on Naboo
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| Senator_Cynum | Date: Monday, 03 March 14, 10:09 PM | Message # 11 |
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| The Trade Federation takes the view that the distribution of the Plasma mined on Naboo is of relatively little consequence. I would remind Naboo though, that by signing any such deal it could not expect to renegotiate its rates with the Trade Federation which are on a fixed scale in our Export Exclusivity Contract signed running with validity for another thirty years. Should any Government abrogate this agreement we would be forced to take actions to remedy the situation.
We would have voted against this motion if it had kept it's export embargo clause. As Senator Terrawin has dropped it and simply wishes to freeze the payments for the goods once we export them from Naboo in a bank account (so Naboo gets its money when this is over and the Galactic Economy gets its plasma)...
Surely the Gungans could be encouraged to take the example of the Neimoidians, they had disadvantages in their history but instead of simply bemoaning the loss of their innocence became the foremost Merchant species in the Galaxy, I doff my hat to them. We do hope that in exchange for our lack of opposition to their political emancipation, the Gungan people become disposed to increase their business with the Trade Federation in future.
Senator Prentiss Cynum
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| Crown_Prince_Ordan | Date: Tuesday, 04 March 14, 3:09 AM | Message # 12 |
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| Psh. I read they're barbarians who make some nice art. They trade offworld do they not? I have a Gungan Submarine in my collection and also some folk art in a gallery I paid for. I'd like to ask, do these Gungans pay taxes on their incomes and good? Do they do jury duty? Do they pay for eating the fish of the seas which are equally yours and theirs, fish too are a resource.
So you've been sharing the world 3800 years, approximately. There are 3.24 billion Gungans.
If we assume they ought to pay a state quota on their income. Partially this comes from fish, partially various maritime weeds and plants gathered by the Gungans from the seabed. Assuming their diet requires the calorific intake of humans, around 2,000 calories, and their diet is 1/4 Fish or Meat 3/4 Sea Plants then to get it they must collect from the sea 3 Kilograms of Plant matter and circa half a kilogram of fish or shellfish or meat hunted in the swamps. The price of that is around 5 credits for the plant matter, assuming its a common type found in Naboo markets and 6-20 credits for the meat at Naboo market prices depending on if they're eating Fish, Shellfish or Kaadu and the quality of each.
Assuming all Gungans eat the cheapest fish and plants they can in order to stay living healthily, it's 11 credits a Gungan, feeding largely from foraging, foraging and farming from a world they say they wish to have equality and shared Govt with the Naboo on. So, the price of their food daily is 35.64 billion credits. Farmers and Fishermen pay income tax to the Government for the resources they take and is based on profits, on average, this is around 12%
So daily 4.28 Billion in revenue is not paid by the Gungans for their food each day, not to mention them not having fishing or hunting permits, the duty they fail to pay on offworld exports, the lack of import tax. Lets say Naboo forgives all of that and says its water under the bridge but insists on the tax that pays for the "shared resources" the Gungans take.
I say, Good King. Give them the 70something% of future plasma revenue. Force be praised even backdate it till the date you started mining it.
On the condition they pay their bill for 3,800 years of exploiting the natural resources which they use daily to eat. But they too are shared, so to be fair they should only pay 70% of the tax bill, since you Naboo probably fish too.
So have the Gungan Boss sign this
"To the King of Naboo, the Sum of 35,494,012,000,000,000. Thirty five quadrillion, four hundred and ninety four trillion, twelve billion credits."
Naboo's plasma reserves are several orders of magnitude lower than that sum. You could buy the Chommell Sector for that and buy the entire Jedi Order as pleasure dancers on your solid aurodium Royal Cruiser.
Why not call it quits on the back taxes if they allow you to keep tapping the Plasma. Quid pro quo. If they want to negotiate an arrangement for a new start, if the Naboo King consents to more unity... then they need to have equal responsibilities as well as rights, and that their flower-child living off the earth lifestyle may not be economically viable in such a situation.
His Most Royal and Secular Majesty Henrik III
By the Providence of the Universe, of the Sovereign World of Alderaan, of Avirandel, Delaya, Avishan and Raisa and of His other Realms and Territories, Prince-Regent. Head of the Alderaaan Sector Commonwealth, Defender of Secularism and Steward of the Commenor Run. &c
Representative of Alderaan in the Galactic Senate.
King of the Grizmallt System
Chair of the Senate Judiciary Committee
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| Verence_Terrawin | Date: Tuesday, 04 March 14, 3:14 AM | Message # 13 |
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| Your argument is farcical.
I admit the King of Naboo may try to make Ordan's arguments about them taking from the planet. But they are the indigenous area.
I pledge that Alsakan will protect the Independence and Sovereignty of he Gungan Council and the area it is recognized to rule. If we cannot force the oppressive Monarch to negotiate, we will at least send the message that if he encroaches further on their rights, they will be doing so against not just the Gungans but Alsakan too.
Verence Terrawin
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Director of the Senate Bureau of Intelligence
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Head of the Republic Stellar Cartography Service.
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| Aine_Ciaran | Date: Saturday, 08 March 14, 10:09 AM | Message # 14 |
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| I agree whole-heartedly with His Majesty, Mr. Vanden, and Senator Baobab and vote against this measure. There is no need for the Senate to pressure the Monarch when he and the people of Naboo are perfectly capable of resolving this issue amongst themselves, as it should be.
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| Draken_Turot | Date: Saturday, 08 March 14, 2:43 PM | Message # 15 |
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| I'm surprised the Representative of Mandalorian space is so quick to call for a peaceful resolution without forcing treaties down the throats of others. History shows that Mandalorian Barbarians were quick to force conquered planets into doing what their new rulers wanted, or else they were either shot... which is what I'm sure the Representative is not 'calling' for anyways!!!
But, this matter is for the Government of Naboo and the Gungans to dispute. If anything, the Republic should play a role of being the neutral party! Seeing that fairness is met across the board, rather then favoring a certain side!
Senator of Lantillies
Message edited by Draken_Turot - Sunday, 09 March 14, 6:25 PM |
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| Jeph_Stomwell | Date: Saturday, 08 March 14, 3:12 PM | Message # 16 |
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| Senator Tu'Rot, I believe you assume that the Mandalorian Senator is of the old school, whereas I believe these 'New Mandalorians' as they have been dubbed, work with a more peaceful bent.
That being said, and while sympathizing with the Gungan leader, I cannot conscience forcing the hand of the Naboo in such a short time to close wounds that have been open hundreds of years. It is tantamount to blaster-point negotiations, which is to say, neither fair nor should be considered legitimate.
Baltimn, however, is always willing to stand by the Gungans in terms of their needs, and is willing to ship supplies and items necessary, should they require more advanced facilities for schools, first aid and the like.
In regards to this bill, however, Baltimn stands against.
Jeph Stomwell
Senator, Baltimn
Message edited by Jeph_Stomwell - Saturday, 08 March 14, 3:13 PM |
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| Zaizhi_Kongming | Date: Thursday, 13 March 14, 0:16 AM | Message # 17 |
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| There are several issues here, in this legislation, both in regards to its irrational pacing of deadlines, as well as Naboo's affiliate status. While I wish for equality and sentient rights for all beings in the galaxy, we must work within our laws to do so. This is not a dictatorship. I ask that Senator Terrawin may table this motion for the time being, so that a fact finding mission may be undertaken by the Senate to acertain the true nature of both sides of this conflict, and work together to bring about the best possible solution to this matter.
Zaizhi Kongming
Senator of Duro and the Duro Sector
Chair of the Judiciary Committee
Admiral of the Fleet, Duro Navy
Admiral of the Coreworlds
Former Commandant of the Judicial Forces
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| Verence_Terrawin | Date: Thursday, 13 March 14, 7:12 AM | Message # 18 |
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| Ah, I welcome you to the land of the awake Senator Kongming. The Naboo and Gungans have opted for bilateral negotiations so this motion is surplus to requirements and withdrawn.
Verence Terrawin
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First Lord of the Foreign Office, Alsakan
Director of the Senate Bureau of Intelligence
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Head of the Republic Stellar Cartography Service.
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