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| Malum_the_Horrible | Date: Saturday, 20 April 13, 12:28 PM | Message # 1 |
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| It dawns upon me that certain aspects of my profile should probably be requested, due to their significant nature. In addition, I'll just be requesting the general structure and assets of Malum.
■ Vigo of the Black Sun, and relevant assets listed below.
■ The allegiance and service of the Faljozic and Nasirii Kajidics, who along with the Jahibakti Kajidic, were uprooted from Tatooine in Jabba's power grab. Unlike Jahibakti, Faljozic and Nasirii will have had no established base within Hutt Space and nowhere to truly go. They would have joined the Jahibakti Kajidic due to familiarity and trust, essentially. It is more of a status thing rather than anything to truly "benefit" Malum.
■ The world of Jilrua being under Malum's control. His area of influence would be the worlds of Toydaria, Tol Amn, and Boonda's Moon.
■ The front companies of Jahibakti Arms, Faljozic Intergalactic Shipping, Nasirii Entertainment, and Jilrua Risk Control Services.
■ His criminal organization, which is listed below.
Black Sun Assets
4 Gozanti Cruisers
12 Z-95 Headhunters
144 total Black Sun members
Fronts
Jahibakti Arms
A company formed as a shell for all arms dealing.
Trade Federation Heavy Munitions Cruiser
3 Trade Federation Transports
Faljozic Intergalactic Shipping
A company formed as a shell for smuggling. Does conduct work as a legitimate transportation and freight-hauling company.
2 Mobquet Medium Transports
2 Action VI Transports
3 Trade Federation Superfreighters
3 Trade Federation Freighters
Nasirii Entertainment
A company formed as a shell for slavery, and prostitution through legitimate entertainment contracts.
Jilrua Risk Control Services
A company formed as a shell for mercenary and pirate activity. Does conduct work as a legitimate PMC.
4 Trade Federation Dropships
3 Vehicle Armored Carriers
3 C-9979 Landing Craft
72 Scarab-class Droid Starfighters
plus droid crews and assets
Criminal Organization
1 Umbaran
1 Toydarian
1 Yahk-Tosh
1 t'landa Til
2 Sakiyans
30 Jilruans
50 Klatooinians
50 Vodrans
50 Nikto
50 Weequay
plus various associates and slaves
Malum Jahibakti Novo (A.K.A "Malum the Horrible", "Malum the Hutt")
■ Kajidii of the Jahibakti Kajidic
■ Vigo of Black Sun
■ Supreme Warlord of Jilrua
■ CEO of Jahibakti Arms, Faljozic Intergalactic Shipping, Nasirii Entertainment, and Jilrua Risk Control Services
■ Suspected of murder, grand larceny, embesslement, extortion, criminal usury, and trafficking in slaves, spice, and weapons
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| Mike | Date: Saturday, 20 April 13, 6:52 PM | Message # 2 |
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| There's a bit to this request, so I'll try to take it in order from the top down.
Black Sun Vigo- Approved
Allegiance and service of Faljozic, Jahibakti and Nasirii Kajidics with the understanding that the Nasirii do not directly benefit Malus- Approve
Control/Ownership of Jilrua and sphere of influence over Toydaria, Tol Amn and Boonda's Moon- Approve
Jahibakti Arms- Approve
Faljozic Intergalactic Shipping- Approve
Nasirii Entertainment- Approve
Jilrua Risk Control Services- Approve
The above items are acceptable. Now, on to the ships and personnel.
4x Gozanti Cruisers- Approve, with the caveat they are never utilized in an act of piracy as pointed out by the article on Wookieepedia.
12x Z-95 Headhunters- Approve
144x Black Sun members- Approve
1x Trade Federation Heavy Munitions Cruiser- Approve
3x Trade Federation Transports- Approve
2x Mobquet Medium Transports- Approve
2x Action VI Transport- Approve
3x Trade Federation Superfreighter- Approve
3x Trade Federation Freighter- Approve
4x Trade Federation Dropships- Approve
3x Vehicle Armored Carrier- Hold- Pending approval, I am unsure if the VAC exists in this time period as of yet. There's no mention of it prior to the CIS.
3x C-9979 Landing Craft- Approve
72 Scarab-class Droid Starfighters- Hold- 72 fighters is a lot to approve of, especially on top of everything else. Personally, I'd feel more comfortable with four squadrons (48 starfighters).
1x Umbaran
1x Toydarian
1x Yahk-Tosh
1x T'landa Til
2x Sakiyans
30x Jilruans
50x Klatooinians
50x Vodrans
50x Nikto
50x Weequay
plus various associates and slaves- Approve
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| Malum_the_Horrible | Date: Sunday, 21 April 13, 11:29 AM | Message # 3 |
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| I'm fine with dropping the VACs and bringing the Scarabs down to 48.
Malum Jahibakti Novo (A.K.A "Malum the Horrible", "Malum the Hutt")
■ Kajidii of the Jahibakti Kajidic
■ Vigo of Black Sun
■ Supreme Warlord of Jilrua
■ CEO of Jahibakti Arms, Faljozic Intergalactic Shipping, Nasirii Entertainment, and Jilrua Risk Control Services
■ Suspected of murder, grand larceny, embesslement, extortion, criminal usury, and trafficking in slaves, spice, and weapons
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| Jace_Varitek | Date: Sunday, 21 April 13, 4:58 PM | Message # 4 |
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| I vote to DENY Malum as a Vigo, for the reasons I mentioned in Stark's request and which I quote below.
Quote (Jace_Varitek) Jaron and I agreed it would be best if Stark is a part of Black Sun, but not (yet) a Vigo. Basically, one of the main contenders for the position of Vigo—this would create a powerful impetus for Stark to prove himself to be the ideal candidate (and intense pressure not to screw up). To digress momentarily, it's come to my attention that Malum the Hutt has also requested to be a Vigo of Black Sun, and someone wonderfully suggested to me that Stark and Malum could both be contenders for the same position as Vigo. I think this is, simply, a splendid idea and it's something I'll push for on Malum's request.
Nothing more to add, really. I don't think it can be argued that this isn't a good idea.
I APPROVE of Malum's control of Jilrua, with Toydaria, Tol Amn, and Boonda's Moon within his sphere of influence. I also APPROVE of the "allegiance and service of the Faljozic and Nasirii Kajidics." So that's the easy part.
I should up front about the way I'm approaching this request and the concerns that I have. It's not my job as a manager to make distinctions about how you choose to use your ships, and I'm not going to approve of ships on conditions that they only be used by this company but not that company, etc. The last 4 to 5 months of RP at AGW, I have ranted, at length, about exactly this sort of thing. You have been present while I've done so, and you've nodded in agreement. Yet Malum's introductory request is awash in front companies, each with their own respective fleets. You've also been present in numerous discussions about the scale of the RP, and about Legends having fewer ships than AGW, but you are now requesting on the order of 8, 9, or even 10 times more ships than would ever have been approved in AGW. You can appreciate, I hope, that I'm perplexed.
So I'm going to re-organize this, first of all, into a list of ships that you're requesting.
4 Gozanti Cruisers
12 Z-95 Headhunters
3 Trade Federation Transports
2 Mobquet Medium Transports
2 Action VI Transports
3 Trade Federation Superfreighters
3 Trade Federation Freighters
4 Trade Federation Dropships
3 Vehicle Armored Carriers
3 C-9979 Landing Craft
72 Scarab-class Droid Starfighters
plus droid crews and assets
I'm now going in search of links to all of these.
Jace Varitek
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| Jace_Varitek | Date: Sunday, 21 April 13, 5:55 PM | Message # 5 |
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| Okay, done.
4 Gozanti Cruisers
12 Z-95 Headhunters
3 Trade Federation Transports*
2 Mobquet Medium Transports
2 Action VI Transports*
3 Trade Federation Superfreighters*
3 Trade Federation Freighters*
4 Trade Federation Dropships*
3 Vehicle Armored Carriers*
3 C-9979 Landing Craft
72 Scarab-class Droid Starfighters
It would seem I owe you something of an apology, because only a few of these are proper warships, and quite a few are simply freighters. The ones I've marked with asterisks are unarmed, or basically unarmed cargo ships, of which you've requested 18 (out of 27 ships and 84 starfighters). If these aren't intended for combat use, I don't see much of a need to request them. I'm not sure I see a need for 18 cargo ships, though. Consider that Cambrist's company has 2 cargo ships and one of them doesn't work. Also consider that some of these ships you're requesting are mammoth freighters, even superfreighters.
So let me deal, first, with what I APPROVE of:
4 Gozanti Cruisers
12 Z-95 Headhunters
2 Mobquet Medium Transports
2 Action VI Transports
But I appreciate you need more ships than this. I'm prepared to approve of more, but I'm missing what the rationale is for a Hutt having all these Trade Federation ships? It seems very unhuttly, especially having droid crews. If I'm simply ignorant, I confess to that, but I'm not aware of any indication in the canon that Hutts ever used Trade Federation ships. I've been under the impression that the Hutts have pretty much always used a beat-up assortment of heavily-used, last-generation ships. (We've had a similar discussion before). These Trade Federation ships are all in current Trade Federation use—how and why did they make the leap from the Trade Federation into the sweaty hands of the Hutts?
I'll solicit your answer to that before I go on.
Jace Varitek
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| Malum_the_Horrible | Date: Tuesday, 30 April 13, 9:37 PM | Message # 6 |
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| Sorry for the long delay there, gents. I was just making sure some loose ends were tied up. The reasoning behind the Trade Federation vessels being included have two parts; one, in the character's background he helped found the Trade Federation (the canon does not state anything about it's founding or leadership, until later one, closer to the current setting), and two, the Trade Federation was demilitarized, and several of its older models were not carried over to the CIS or hidden from the Republic, so I merely assumed that they were sold off to fund their secret re-armament/reorganization, and that his ties to the Trade Federation would allow him to have the inside track on several of these vessels. These are, more or less, the last generation of ships, or perhaps arguably, the outgoing generation, which I felt still fit into the traditional Hutt premises we set up in the past.
Malum Jahibakti Novo (A.K.A "Malum the Horrible", "Malum the Hutt")
■ Kajidii of the Jahibakti Kajidic
■ Vigo of Black Sun
■ Supreme Warlord of Jilrua
■ CEO of Jahibakti Arms, Faljozic Intergalactic Shipping, Nasirii Entertainment, and Jilrua Risk Control Services
■ Suspected of murder, grand larceny, embesslement, extortion, criminal usury, and trafficking in slaves, spice, and weapons
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| Jace_Varitek | Date: Wednesday, 01 May 13, 2:07 PM | Message # 7 |
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| Thanks for the background info. At first glance I'm a bit skeptical, though. A.) I think it would be a bit much for Malum to be a Hutt crimelord, a Black Sun crimelord, and a founder of the Trade Federation, which seems rather dubious considering his other pursuits, and considering that the Trade Federation was, until 10 or so years ago, a mostly Human-dominated company that wasn't involved in shady dealings; not nice people, but certainly not criminals.
And B.) I see your point about the disarmament of the Trade Federation post-Naboo, but supposing the Republic required them to do this, and knowing as we do that the Republic itself seized many Trade Federation ships, I'm not convinced that the Federation would have been permitted to simply sell its ships to whomever it pleased. More likely, it seems to me, is that the Republic seized the Federation's ships, and it was more plausibly the Republic which auctioned them off, as authorities do with seized property. (I'm assuming the Trade Federation and its friends arranged to buy most of it back, since the disarmament clearly didn't last long). Either way, I don't really see Malum's involvement in this especially when most of these Federation ships you're requesting aren't really armed and so presumably wouldn't be subject to "disarmament."
Long story short, I vote to APPROVE the following now that we have three other Hutt requests approved that we can refer to.
▪ Malum's area of influence encompassing Tol Amn, Toydaria, Jilrua, and Boonda's Moon (w/ stipulation that King Katuunko of Toydaria does appear to be a stubbornly independent sort of fellow and thus Malum's influence on Toydaria is purely criminal, not political. Politically, Katuunko apparently owes allegiance to the Hutt Cartel in general, Toydaria being described as a "vassal state" of the Hutts—I expect he wouldn't back either side in a Hutt dispute). Also approved: "the allegiance and service of the Faljozic and Nasirii Kajidics."
▪ Either Jahibakti Arms, Faljozic Intergalactic Shipping, or Nasirii Entertainment as Malum's front company. I think Zordo and Njon have demonstrated that they can make do with just a single front, and thus I'd prefer to be consistent with denials of other front companies in the RP thus far and have you choose one of these three. (Note I excluded Jilrua Risk Control Services, which I assume is your PMC. In an earlier post I coined the term "unhuttly" and I think it applies in this instance; private military contractors just don't seem consistent with any portrayal of Hutts that we see in the canon—honestly, it's my opinion that PMCs aren't really consistent with Star Wars in general; there are few, if any, examples of them in the canon, and there are far more examples of simple mercenary groups such as these guys. That, to me, is Star Wars).
▪ Malum being a member of Black Sun. It seems odd to me though that he'd have separate "Black Sun members." Malum is a criminal, crime is what he does. His criminal dealings in Hutt Space are what he brings to Black Sun—and I do think it's more about what he can bring to Black Sun rather than what Black Sun can provide for him in terms of ships or personnel. Basically, I don't approve of there being any distinction between Malum's Hutt dealings and his Black Sun dealings—they are one in the same, certainly as far as Black Sun would be concerned.
▪ 4 Gozanti cruisers
▪ 2 Mobquet Medium Transports
▪ 2 Action V transports
▪ 12 Z-95 Headhunters
▪ 48 Scarab-class starfighters (w/ non-droid pilots, thus not really "droid starfighters")
▪ A retinue of 250+ thugs of various species, slaves, etc.
(note I considered rescinding my earlier approval of the Mobquet transports in favor of a Trade Federation Superfreighter, but I think you'd probably prefer the more respectably-armed Mobquets and I think the Mobquets would be more proportional with other Hutt factions. Also changed anachronistic Action VI to an Action V. To address Mike's point, the Vehicle Armored Carrier is probably also an anachronism, but I don't approve of it for other reasons).
Also, please note:
Quote (Wookieepedia) Male t'landa Til made a sound that attracted females during mating season. This humming vibration was produced when air flowed over the cilia in a male's inflated neck pouch. This vibration stimulated a female's pleasure centers.
No particular reason for this, I just can't unknow it so I'm making you all know it too.
Jace Varitek
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| Mike | Date: Sunday, 05 May 13, 12:51 PM | Message # 8 |
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| I Concur with what Jace has approved of and since this has seen no further action, I shall close it up at this time.
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