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Trade Route Request
Alyn_StarkDate: Tuesday, 15 April 14, 12:14 PM | Message # 1
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First seen here, I have done extensive research on grid positioning (with a bit of necessary speculation) to include Mentanar Vosk (presumed inhabited world), Kabieroun (inhabited world), the Vannan (no mention of a planet but the 'Vannan Sector' in which Vannan crystals came from, so, obviously a planet exists), Kauron (inhabited world), Thalassia (inhabited world) and terminating in Praadost II (inhabited world).

Now, canonically speaking, half the stuff we are playing obviously wouldn't happen. The proposed Lorrd-Praadost Trade Route isn't a miracle cure. It does cut through a lot of empty space. It does come with caveats, such as the members of the route working together to have to curtail acts of slavery on and around Thalassia as part of the deal. It isn't as secure as standard routes which are in place, which means an increased chance of piracy along said routes.

Now, existence of the route? Not impossible to forge. I've looked through the articles in regards to all of the worlds in question, which I shall bring here.

Mentanar Vosk
Kabieroun
Vannan System
Kauron
Thalassia
Praadost II

That being said, we approach the second part of the request.

Now I am not saying I am going to force the 'NPC influence' of any planet. However, common knowledge that not everyone would like the Trade Federation? That only makes sense. Regardless of how Jamie would like the paint the TF as 'the awesome good guys,' the end result is that they are out to make money. If this means forcing a few folks to pay higher prices, so be it. If they squash out a mom-n-pop shipping site? Hey, no worries. The Trade Federation is sort of like Wal-Mart coming to a town and whose presence causes smaller businesses to dry up. It's not necessarily a bad thing for Big Business, but it's sure to make a few sore feelings.

Now, you may note that I stated:
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More interestingly, perhaps, is the rumor of a 'Rim Security Force' in the making, by a number of planets. While no certain facts can be confirmed, it is widely speculated that a combination of lack of Judicial Forces in the Outer Rim along with certain worlds' dislike of Trade Federation policies and heavy-handed use of their trade status, may lead to a coalition of worlds contributing ships and forces towards a central 'pool' for the defense of the Outer Rim worlds. Whether or not this is simply rumor or fact is yet to be seen.


Now here, you can see I am committing no world in specific to a dislike of the Trade Federation. The article itself states that there is a 'rumor' going on (if an important one), and that facts cannot be confirmed. However, I am not requesting the creation of such a force, nor am I asking for specific planets to 'hate on the Trade Federation.'


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Jamie_the_HuttDate: Tuesday, 27 May 14, 6:55 AM | Message # 2
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I vote to Deny both the Route as I think it's a long term project Lorrd probably can't even afford to link some worlds that shouldn't be linked (theyre essentially all worlds featured only in the Galaxy Guide on types of Criminals in the New Republic, they don't seem conected or bustling then so I dont vote for them to be now. and Deny the Trade Federation enmity until you can quantify where, and why it exists, specifically.

At least two of those worlds are infested with extremely powerful groups (the second biggest Slaving Ring and a possibly not here yet Pirate group) who would attack anything coming through anyway.

Exploring such a route would be dangerous and expensive, and these are patently meant to be isolated worlds (which is why they're pirate bases and slaver worlds) so I vote to decline producing that.

I'm not happy adding extra hyperlanes to the Galaxy except small local ones linking one world to the nearest route. I especially believe that the likes of Lorrd couldn't afford the whole process of expensive exploration, losing men etc and even if it did find a route, whats the guarantee that it's going to get approved by the Republic Bureau responsible. I see this as (if you really want it) being a project you can start now and start to see a tangible outcome from in thee years with the way exploration and Bureaucracy works.

As for the Trade Federation...

They just ship cargo, in bulk. They have more freighters, their cargo arrives on time, insured etc. Why would Outer Rim Worlds dislike the logistics they require being provided (at a cheaper rate than the competitors). Sure maybe some shippers who weren't smart enough to join the Federation might lose their jobs. But whole worlds aren't going to get phased by this.

I vote to deny any popular sentiment unless you can give me copper bottomed explanations for specific examples. I can see you want to make your own version of the TDF. Which is why you wan these dissenting worlds.. And I dont think it fits with the canon explanation of things so would vote to deny that too.

The Trade Fed fills a badly needed niche for Outer Rim Worlds (even those outside the Republic) which is taking their goods to the big core markets. It's what has made the Outer Rim a functional part of the Galaxy again and remapped the hyperlanes for efficiency etc.. So Deny unless you can give me concrete reasons for specific worlds to have "beef" with the TF.

Added (15 April 14, 3:52 PM)
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dislike of Trade Federation policies


Which policies?

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lack of Judicial Forces in the Outer Rim


Which is the gap the Trade Federation financed TDF fills for the most part.

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heavy-handed use of their trade status


What does this even mean?

Naturally though, some people might dislike the Trade Federation, but these at this stage Probably are more the Core Worlds which didn't get shares early on or Galactic Companies which have been kicked out of the Federation for failing to meet shipping quotas (it happens) etc are the only people I can see with any compelling hate or strong dislike...

So as ever, explain why and I'll be more open minded.

As regards "big business", your Walmarts and such. It's be the Commerce Guilt, Corporate Alliance and Techno Union who would have your ire surely? Not the delivery and security people?

Added (16 April 14, 4:06 PM)
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I think if you're willing to consider the trade route as being a project which was being worked on, with completion in six months (if the whole process was having all the cash it could want thrown at it Manhattan project style - i.e. hiring the best and most experienced hyperspace explorers (to just have Lorrdians do it without a history of it would be reinventing the wheel), using lobbyists to push through the Republic approval of the route etc).

I'd like to see you going and actively role-playing development of this big project exploration in the area, losing scouts sometimes.. and allow others to RP the setbacks which might occur thanks to malefactors.

However, the route itself would need to then be requested in 6 months.

As for discontent. I won't approve random hostility. Maybe you have a character who has a problem with the Trade Federation? Perhaps they should role-play trying to sway popular opinion with public criticisms, advertising possibly and such. Perhaps embarrassing the TF in some way etc. Management rules on popular opinions but you need to play some action if you want people to be influenced by the agenda you want, since I think as per status quo people don't generally feel quite so irrationally.

Added (27 May 14, 6:55 AM)
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I don't think starting to pioneer a trail needs to be requested.

Once you've done some mapping and the IC work then I think we can get to the point of making requests? When you request a specific route to have specific criteria then we can discuss details?


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Alyn_StarkDate: Tuesday, 27 May 14, 5:59 PM | Message # 3
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Sounds fine by me. Shelve this for now.

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MikeDate: Tuesday, 27 May 14, 6:00 PM | Message # 4
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