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| Jamie_the_Hutt | Date: Tuesday, 08 April 14, 10:43 PM | Message # 11 |
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| How does approval for this sound.
2x Class 1000 cruiser
1x Battle Horn-class Bulk Cruiser*
48x R-41 Starchasers
*Happy to say there's just as much evidence it's current as the Etti.
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| Lomen_Ryuun | Date: Tuesday, 08 April 14, 11:13 PM | Message # 12 |
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| It's a moderately decent ship, but quite useless for Druckenwell's fleet, honestly. I'd rather go with some of the Etti-classes, purchased from the CSA, if possible. If not, I'll have to do some hunting.
Lomen Ryuun
Senator, Druckenwell (103 BBY - 93 BBY)
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| Jamie_the_Hutt | Date: Monday, 14 April 14, 4:16 AM | Message # 13 |
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| Essentially you need to decide what you want and post it... Custom arm your choice of freighter if you want an armed freighter/light corvette.
Maybe look at the on-hold request here and pick out one, if you don't want to custom make the design yourself.
If you want to go canonical I would direct you to the Discril-class as a possible choice. I'd be happy to approve you two or three of these pending a quick investigation into what exactly a "Particle Beamer" consists of and how powerful it is. Call a Tri Particle beamer a Light Turbolaser (since stats wise it seems similar).
Armament
4 Tri-Particle Beamers (4 Light Turbolasers)
5 Laser Cannons
3 Triple Mounted Laser Cannons
So long as the number is small, since Druckenwell is a world which would likely get the pick of TDF prize ships, and since the Discril is a known pirate vessel, it'd make sense they might bring a couple in. It's got 14 Laser Cannons when you consider all its mountings, plus 4 Light Turbolasers fixed forward. Defensively it's identical to the Etti overall, with a much stronger hull but weaker shields (an easy after-market upgrade)
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Message edited by Jamie_the_Hutt - Monday, 14 April 14, 4:54 AM |
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| Lomen_Ryuun | Date: Monday, 14 April 14, 8:35 AM | Message # 14 |
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| There are an excess of custom designs already, something which may or may not factor in to that particular on-hold request, so I'm not too quick to grab one of those.
Using the Discril-class is not unlike using the Etti-class, though. I'd prefer bending canon slightly in regards to the Etti, within reason of course, but if not, then I'll continue hunting. It strikes me that the Discril isn't really fit for us yet, since it gets phased out during the Battle of Yavin.
I may just have to accept that we won't really have any dedicated anti-starfighter ships this era. I think it may add a cool aspect to play.
In light of that, can we scratch the Etti-class and instead go with:
3x CR90 Corvettes
As well, for the capitol of Druckenwell, Il Avali, I would like:
12x Turbostorm-class gunships for the police forces and 'SWAT' teams (or whatever Star Wars calls them. Not quite sure).
4x Air defense towers
2x HX.6 Turbolaser batteries
1x PY-6 Proton torpedo site
I'm not requesting these brand new, but already established structures.
Lomen Ryuun
Senator, Druckenwell (103 BBY - 93 BBY)
Minister of Economics
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| Jamie_the_Hutt | Date: Monday, 14 April 14, 9:01 AM | Message # 15 |
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| I vote to approve the following. I have dropped down the fighter numbers and modified the class to another one I've noticed you favour since in every other respect Druckenwell is getting pretty much exactly what it wants (including ground air def). This would be a very expensive outlay for Druckenwell and would likely mean very high individual taxation, borrowing (so running a deficit) or allowing their defenses to lack proper care and attention, thus reducing their effectiveness.
Since the Class-1000/Munifex is a TDF pioneered design which is almost synonymous with the TDF, these ships would have been a gift to Druckenwell's people after Lomen Ryuun officially took office as a Conciliation Vizier of the Trade Federation close to a year ago. Since then aid in the military sphere hasn't been sent to Druckenwell as it's own request.
Druckenwell Defense Fleet
2 Class 1000 Cruiser
3 CR90 Corvettes
24 Cutlass-9 Patrol Fighters
"Strikebreaker" team craft
Quote Lomen_Ryuun (  ) 12x Turbostorm-class gunships for the police forces and 'SWAT' teams (or whatever Star Wars calls them. Not quite sure).
Il Avali Defenses
Quote Lomen_Ryuun ( ) 4x Air defense towers
2x HX.6 Turbolaser batteries
1x PY-6 Proton torpedo site
Jamulon Desilijic Tiure
known as "Jamie the Hutt"
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Bey of the Cygnus Star Empire
Nephew to Jabba the Hutt
Associate Member of the Hutt Cartel
Message edited by Jamie_the_Hutt - Monday, 14 April 14, 12:26 PM |
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| Lomen_Ryuun | Date: Monday, 14 April 14, 9:23 AM | Message # 16 |
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| Unfortunately, I see this as sort of a quid pro quo situation, especially with you granting a request on the basis that it was given (gift or otherwise), from one of your major factions. I'm willing to agree that the Class 1000s could have been a gift to Druckenwell, but I don't see why Druckenwell couldn't have had its own defenses long before they got cozy with the Trade Federation of the Techno Union.
Not everything has to have a tie-in backstory, after all.
Lomen Ryuun
Senator, Druckenwell (103 BBY - 93 BBY)
Minister of Economics
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| Jamie_the_Hutt | Date: Monday, 14 April 14, 9:38 AM | Message # 17 |
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| Because it means you didn't have to pay for them, and have shiny new defenses? Its a genuine gift. Druckenwell is an investment and they need to secure it. I'm happy for Lorrd to have had similar ones in the past and the TU and TF just replaced them as a honour for you.
Billions of credits worth of TU and TF merchandise are produced on Druckenwell each month; theyve an interest in guaranteeing its safety. Works backstorywise surely?
Jamulon Desilijic Tiure
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| Lomen_Ryuun | Date: Monday, 14 April 14, 12:08 PM | Message # 18 |
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| Point being, in a simple, cut-and-dried canon request such as this, the backstory is unnecessary. If you think it's good, then call it good. If you have an issue with it, lay out the issue. Plain and simple, please. No tie-ins. No this or that. Just, is the request acceptable, yes or no, and if not, state why please and what ought to be changed.
Lomen Ryuun
Senator, Druckenwell (103 BBY - 93 BBY)
Minister of Economics
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| Jamie_the_Hutt | Date: Monday, 14 April 14, 12:27 PM | Message # 19 |
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| It's fine. But without maintenance services being gifted the burden of paying for the constant maintenance of a force this size would leave a relatively unremarkable factory world stretching it's budget and having to levy high personal taxation in order to maintain it's current defense levels (since Corporate tax is a nono)...
As you say quid pro quo. If they don't want to be the beneficiaries of TF and TU goodwill then they can refuse it politely no doubt. But really it's just meaning that it's Druckenwell which ends up paying the bulk of the cost to protect the assets of the TF and TU on the world.Added (14 April 14, 12:27 PM)
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As requested. Revised with the TDF and TU not lending aid and expertise to Druckenwell for free.
I vote to approve the following. I have dropped down the fighter numbers and modified the class to another one I've noticed you favour since in every other respect Druckenwell is getting pretty much exactly what it wants (including ground air def). This would be a very expensive outlay for Druckenwell and would likely mean very high individual taxation, borrowing (so running a deficit) or allowing their defenses to lack proper care and attention, thus reducing their effectiveness.
Since the Class-1000/Munifex is a TDF pioneered design which is almost synonymous with the TDF, these ships would have been a gift to Druckenwell's people after Lomen Ryuun officially took office as a Conciliation Vizier of the Trade Federation close to a year ago. Since then aid in the military sphere hasn't been sent to Druckenwell as it's own request.
Druckenwell Defense Fleet
2 Class 1000 Cruiser
3 CR90 Corvettes
24 Cutlass-9 Patrol Fighters
"Strikebreaker" team craft
Quote Lomen_Ryuun ( ) 12x Turbostorm-class gunships for the police forces and 'SWAT' teams (or whatever Star Wars calls them. Not quite sure).
Il Avali Defenses
Quote Lomen_Ryuun ( ) 4x Air defense towers
2x HX.6 Turbolaser batteries
1x PY-6 Proton torpedo site
Jamulon Desilijic Tiure
known as "Jamie the Hutt"
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Bey of the Cygnus Star Empire
Nephew to Jabba the Hutt
Associate Member of the Hutt Cartel
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| Lomen_Ryuun | Date: Monday, 14 April 14, 12:57 PM | Message # 20 |
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| Druckenwell Shipyards can always act to repair and refit the vessels if necessary. However, that's not to say Druckenwell hasn't, or can't, outsource to other technicians or firms to keep defenses and ships running. It's also not unreasonable, as you've said, to have the Techno Union or Trade Federation assist with the upkeep, especially if the aforementioned defenses are acting to keep said corporate interests safe, in addition to the primary defense offered for the world itself.
I'm good with the rest.
Lomen Ryuun
Senator, Druckenwell (103 BBY - 93 BBY)
Minister of Economics
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